Post by: Necromancer on December 12, 2008, 03:15:51 AM
My invention: Bowling Ball Measuring Device
What Does It Do: It measures your ball speed, rev rate, accuracy, and angle of rotation!
Where Does It Go: It is placed at the foul line in an area parallel to the pit but away from where you end your approach.
How Big Is It: It can be the size of a GPS device that has either a tripod or suction platform for secured placement:
How Does It Do It: By placing the targeting system towards the pins and using existing technology of radar (mostly used by the police), and using technology already in place in current bowling alleys that measure speed already, it measures the change in distance away from the device. It also measures the the rotation by having you the bowler place a coin sized metallic sticker on the ball. In the field of play it can measure your initial revs by measuring the speed which this sticker revolves around the ball. Also using this sticker, the angle of rotation is measured.
To measure the accuracy, the ball will show up in the given view finder as to where it rolled over down the lane. It can either do this through recording or through graphical means.
How much does it Cost: $300-400 initially with decreased cost over time.
DISCUSS
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Post by: Necromancer on December 12, 2008, 12:28:47 PM
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It'd be nicer if it came with a troll meter that cut off your computer everytime you posted a thread on here.
It'd be nicer if you did some research first before using some everyday lame comeback as calling me a troll. I got ties to the U.S. Patent Office so I am not trolling or whatever you are saying. Think before you post again in my threads.
KTHXBAI
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H: Brunswick Fury, Columbia 300 EPX T1
M-H: Storm Shift Gravity, Hammer Black Widow
M: Storm X-Factor Vertigo
M-L: Storm Recharge
S: Brunswick Target Spare Zone, Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
GEMS: Brunswick Quantum Helix, Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
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Post by: Necromancer on December 12, 2008, 12:30:32 PM
Post by: Moon57 on December 12, 2008, 12:48:40 PM
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Post by: NoseofRI on December 12, 2008, 12:56:13 PM
Post by: Necromancer on December 12, 2008, 01:01:21 PM
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So here's a question? How can you patent something that's already being used in golf?
The key is that it is being used in golf but not yet in bowling as far as I know. Can the one in golf be used on a bowling ball?
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M: Storm X-Factor Vertigo
M-L: Storm Recharge
S: Brunswick Target Spare Zone, Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
GEMS: Brunswick Quantum Helix, Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
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2006-07 Year 213.067 2007 Tourney 178.029
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2008-09 Three-Peat???
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Post by: Necromancer on December 12, 2008, 01:04:40 PM
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Easy, he has ties to the Patent office you idiot. Do your research, this is a very important man who we're dealing with (who cannot make a tenpin).
Yeah I forgot making a tenpin is one of the tests important groups of people give to others to calculate their value. LOL!
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H: Brunswick Fury, Columbia 300 EPX T1
M-H: Storm Shift Gravity, Hammer Black Widow
M: Storm X-Factor Vertigo
M-L: Storm Recharge
S: Brunswick Target Spare Zone, Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
GEMS: Brunswick Quantum Helix, Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
2008-09 Year 215.000 2008 Tourney 178.750
2006-07 Year 213.067 2007 Tourney 178.029
2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???
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Post by: Necromancer on December 12, 2008, 01:10:16 PM
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?IA=WO1983002161&DISPLAY=DESC
With today's technology I am willing to bet we can develop something pocket-sized and would improve your game far faster than any new bowling ball could. I am going to do more research this weekend. Bowling is an untapped market outside of bowling balls themselves.
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H: Brunswick Fury, Columbia 300 EPX T1
M-H: Storm Shift Gravity, Hammer Black Widow
M: Storm X-Factor Vertigo
M-L: Storm Recharge
S: Brunswick Target Spare Zone, Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
GEMS: Brunswick Quantum Helix, Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
2008-09 Year 215.000 2008 Tourney 178.750
2006-07 Year 213.067 2007 Tourney 178.029
2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???
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Post by: Jorge300 on December 12, 2008, 01:18:38 PM
My only question is this: How do you fit your head into a bowling alley?
Ive never seen someone think so highly of themselves while providing so little information or usefulness. It would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.
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Post by: 1MechEng on December 12, 2008, 01:44:03 PM
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Post by: Necromancer on December 12, 2008, 01:48:02 PM
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From an engineering standpoint, how is this better or worse than a standard video camera at the same cost?
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Does a video camera measure the revs and angle? I guess you can use it to calculate speed but then it wouldn't really be automatic.
Post by: Oskuposer on December 12, 2008, 02:00:34 PM
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Post by: BowlingWolf on December 12, 2008, 02:16:30 PM
There's nothing better than good old fashioned hard work in order to achieve a high level, at anything us humans so endeavor to do, which, of course, includes bowling.
I for one, pay no attention whatsoever to the stats revealed by current scoring systems, such as speed and what-not, since I'm more interested in performance than with trying to impress others with speed and revs, which I have plenty of, as do the high majority of serious bowlers.
Gimmicks may show fun stats to look at, but they don't do much in the way of improvement.
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BowlingWolf
Post by: Necromancer on December 12, 2008, 02:19:47 PM
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Exactly how will your wonder device be helpful with one's mechanics and help to improve consistency, accuracy, and the ability to properly read lanes?
There's nothing better than good old fashioned hard work in order to achieve a high level, at anything us humans so endeavor to do, which, of course, includes bowling.
I for one, pay no attention whatsoever to the stats revealed by current scoring systems, such as speed and what-not, since I'm more interested in performance than with trying to impress others with speed and revs, which I have plenty of, as do the high majority of serious bowlers.
Gimmicks may show fun stats to look at, but they don't do much in the way of improvement.
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Regards,
BowlingWolf
A device that shows exact values so there is no guessing would prove more useful in my opinion. It is the same as lifting weights or bodybuilding. Going into the gym and just lifting weights will get you only so far. When you are recording everything down from lifts to what you eat, you will rarely plateau and never not understand why you are where you are.
I think if something helped that would improve consistency, the high scores will only be a result of that consistency. You can be a high average bowler and be inconsistent, but it is hard to be consistent and not be a high average bowler.
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M: Storm X-Factor Vertigo
M-L: Storm Recharge
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GEMS: Brunswick Quantum Helix, Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
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Post by: thinkyoung on December 12, 2008, 02:46:03 PM
http://powerhousebowling.com/bowlersmap/software.php
Just not at the $300-$400 price tag.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on December 12, 2008, 04:29:14 PM
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BowlersMAP and DigiTrax
http://powerhousebowling.com/bowlersmap/software.php
Just not at the $300-$400 price tag.
The problem I see with these things is that they tend to make people's motions robotic instead of free flowing, since over-analysis sets in, and that ain't ever a good thing.
Bowling is best accomplished when the mind is devoid of most thought, except for the very basic prompts necessary, such as where to stand and which target to look at, set-up at the stance, keeping eyes on the target, proper foot/hand/ball start, natural gait, the feeling of the ball coming cleanly off the hand at the release point and the follow-thru (these are only examples, and since everyone is different, we all key in on different things during the stance/approach/delivery)—and the less we think of these things, the more naturally we are able to reproduce these motions, the better off our game ultimately is.
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Post by: collegebowler on December 12, 2008, 04:53:49 PM
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It'd be nicer if it came with a troll meter that cut off your computer everytime you posted a thread on here.
It'd be nicer if you did some research first before using some everyday lame comeback as calling me a troll. I got ties to the U.S. Patent Office so I am not trolling or whatever you are saying. Think before you post again in my threads.
KTHXBAI
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H: Brunswick Fury, Columbia 300 EPX T1
M-H: Storm Shift Gravity, Hammer Black Widow
M: Storm X-Factor Vertigo
M-L: Storm Recharge
S: Brunswick Target Spare Zone, Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
GEMS: Brunswick Quantum Helix, Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
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YOU should do some research. C.A.T.S. was developed by the ABC/WIBC in the early 90's and it does everything you described and then some. http://www.kegel.net/products/products-cats.htm
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Post by: Necromancer on December 12, 2008, 06:47:14 PM
quote:quote:quote:
It'd be nicer if it came with a troll meter that cut off your computer everytime you posted a thread on here.
It'd be nicer if you did some research first before using some everyday lame comeback as calling me a troll. I got ties to the U.S. Patent Office so I am not trolling or whatever you are saying. Think before you post again in my threads.
KTHXBAI
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Current Arsenal Gallery (http://"http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/mikecart1/Bowling%20Arsenal/")
H: Brunswick Fury, Columbia 300 EPX T1
M-H: Storm Shift Gravity, Hammer Black Widow
M: Storm X-Factor Vertigo
M-L: Storm Recharge
S: Brunswick Target Spare Zone, Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
GEMS: Brunswick Quantum Helix, Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
2008-09 Year 215.000 2008 Tourney 178.750
2006-07 Year 213.067 2007 Tourney 178.029
2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???
Hall of Fame BR Member Since: April 3, 2001
YOU should do some research. C.A.T.S. was developed by the ABC/WIBC in the early 90's and it does everything you described and then some. http://www.kegel.net/products/products-cats.htm
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Former Wisconsin Collegiate Bowling Conference President
Did you not read your link to see how big that thing is? I am talking something that is handheld. Most patents today are improvements over things of the past. Anyways, forget it. I am tired of introducing new ideas on here to just have them laughed at. I will be calling my friend about this patent idea and deal with it on my own. I thought we were all a team on this site. :/
Post by: Strider on December 13, 2008, 07:48:51 AM
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Post by: janderson on December 15, 2008, 06:56:59 AM
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Post by: Necromancer on December 15, 2008, 08:37:08 AM
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How would it measure rev rate and angle of rotation? My understanding of Radar is that it is fairly simple in execution simply measuring how long it takes light waves to come back when bounced off another object whether it is the surface of the ball or a metal sticker on it. It seems you would need some sort of digital imaging device that would be able to "see" the sticker and perform digital image processing to determine rev rate. There are some pretty intense calculations - 4 dimensional (x,y,z,time) trigonometry - that would need to happen assuming everything guesses right when the sticker isn't visible (did the rotational angle change or is the sticker just rotating around the other side of the ball).
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We used some of that technology on the Grand Challenge project at VT. Basically it was a $1,000,000 competition to get a self-run robotic vehicle with simulated AI to go across the desert of 70 miles. It's sensor system had some of the technology I would use for the bowling measurement system.