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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Necromancer on November 08, 2016, 07:31:51 AM
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Going to make this short because this is a question I have never understood the reality of...
Currently I use a 4 ball bag from Storm, the two layer one with wheels where you can separate the top 2 balls from bottom 2 balls for transportation and ease.
However, I see many people in my leagues using 3 ball bags (the triple in a row) and some even with 3 ball bags with another ball attached at the handle. How are you are lifting these bags into and out of the car, into and out of the house? My biggest struggle on bowling night is just getting into and out of the alley. Keep in mind I'm pretty athletic (6'0" 200lbs) but I still have issues with this. Then I see people carrying 2 ball bags on their shoulders. How?
I don't get it. Either you old guys are using 13lbs or less or you are all freaks of nature. My 4 ball bag with balls is well over 70lbs. I'm guessing a 3 ball tote is at least 40lbs.
I just don't get it lol. :P
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3 ball totes are around 50 pounds with 15lb balls, they are not too bad to carry in and out of cars. Reason I switched to those is actually how easy it is to put 3 of them in the car for tournament, vice the bigger bags.
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Fo real?
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I don't get why you don't get it. A 3 ball roller is about 50 pounds with 3 15lb balls. It's not that hard to lift 50 pounds into and out of a vehicle
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I don't get why you don't get it. A 3 ball roller is about 50 pounds with 3 15lb balls. It's not that hard to lift 50 pounds into and out of a vehicle
For some people, maybe. But certainly not for all.
I had the rigid 900Global 3-bagger for a while, and strained my back at least three times pulling it out of the trunk. It's not always pure weight. My trunk was deep, and given the angle I had to lift with the length of the bag, it was awkward. I sold the bag after the last incident.
My softer Vise 3-ball bags flex and are easier to manipulate, so I have more confidence lifting them. Still, 2-ball configurations are easier to toss around, and that's what I use most of the time. I'd rather be safe than sorry.
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I carry 5. I have a 2 ball tote that I throw on my shoulder and a storm triple tote.
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It's like the one in the top of that photo. Actually quite easy from a transporting POV.
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I use a vise 3 ball tote for league with a single ball bag for my plastic ball. Very light and easy to maneuver. For tournaments I use two of the vise 3 ball totes. No issue getting them in and out of a full size truck and I'm 5'10" 180lbs.
I use to use the Brunswick 3 ball roller with single ball add on and it worked fine as well. Carrying a two ball bag by itself isn't an issue but it and a 3 ball roller is more of a bulky head ache then anything. Which is why I went to the two 3 ball totes instead.
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My $.02...
The guys saying 50 is easy haven't had back issues or they would know better. Reinjuring my back is really easy. I did it three months ago with my 3 ball bag and couldn't bowl that night or stand straight for the next 2 days. We all used to be able to carry it, but due to either injury or age, it simply isn't reality. I don't want a 4 ball bag, but I'm getting one, because 30 is a lot easier than 45. Makes all the difference in the world. And I get to carry a 4th ball. :)
As for the totes, to each his own. They aren't for me, too little freedom of motion and stopping at doors, etc, but If I needed 6 I'd do 2x3.....
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If you are 6' 200 lbs. and "pretty athletic" and you think 50 lbs is a lot to lift or you can't carry a 2 ball tote on your shoulder you probably aren't as athletic as you think.
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If you are 6' 200 lbs. and "pretty athletic" and you think 50 lbs is a lot to lift or you can't carry a 2 ball tote on your shoulder you probably aren't as athletic as you think.
I agree. Each person is different because of age or injury
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I drag 3, carry 2. If I was a better bowler like several years ago, I'd carry 2.
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If you are 6' 200 lbs. and "pretty athletic" and you think 50 lbs is a lot to lift or you can't carry a 2 ball tote on your shoulder you probably aren't as athletic as you think.
Yeah some have seen me on here in tournaments. And yeah I can lift a lot, or at least relatively, mid-tier strength totals for powerlifting (500lbs deadlift and 405lbs squat). That doesn't mean that lifting 50lbs out of a car while trying to find leverage in order to not bend at my back, while trying to not strain my shoulder/arm before bowling starts is going to be "easy". I always use the ramp with my 4 ball roller because I'd rather not lift 70lbs 2 feet off the ground so I can skip the ramp and take the 3 steps needed to get in the bowling center. So when I see people with 3 ball bags in particular, I know they can't take those apart unless they take out the balls individually or something. 50lbs on a deadlift in the gym with a straight bar is easy. 50lbs with unbalanced weights and with balls that push center of gravity outside of your body (when powerlifters get injured most of the time) is pretty heavy IMO. It's worse when you need to fit it in the passenger seat or trunk where you have no leverage.
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I don't get why you don't get it. A 3 ball roller is about 50 pounds with 3 15lb balls. It's not that hard to lift 50 pounds into and out of a vehicle
Depends on the vehicle. Out of an SUV rear where there is no lip to move around like on a sedan, it's not too bad. But try putting 50lbs of bowling balls in a sedan or coupe or a trunk of a regular car and see how hard it is to lift that weight over the frame of the car and drop them 2-3ft below into the trunk. I don't care how strong you are, your CG will be outside of your body and you will be placing torque and shear stresses on either your shoulders, spine, or hips.
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I use a Storm 4 ball roller, which I take apart and load in two steps. Up until about two years ago, I just lifted the entire thing at once and put it in the trunk.
Then the back problems arrived.
I have to agree with Necro, it's not about the amount of weight, it's the twisting to move it to the correct place during a dead lift.
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I don't get why you don't get it. A 3 ball roller is about 50 pounds with 3 15lb balls. It's not that hard to lift 50 pounds into and out of a vehicle
Depends on the vehicle. Out of an SUV rear where there is no lip to move around like on a sedan, it's not too bad. But try putting 50lbs of bowling balls in a sedan or coupe or a trunk of a regular car and see how hard it is to lift that weight over the frame of the car and drop them 2-3ft below into the trunk. I don't care how strong you are, your CG will be outside of your body and you will be placing torque and shear stresses on either your shoulders, spine, or hips.
Well I've only ever had a sedan. Use the lip as an advantage so your cg doesn't go outside of your body. You're lifting the bag too high placing extra stress on your body if you have to drop the bag 2-3 feet into the trunk
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Good sirs, I'm 5'5 and 130 just after having gone nuts at the buffet. All I use anymore are totes and a backpack for my other crud. You have to be careful when moving 50 lbs of balls. Lift with legs, drop balls in trunk if needed.
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Good sirs, I'm 5'5 and 130 just after having gone nuts at the buffet. All I use anymore are totes and a backpack for my other crud. You have to be careful when moving 50 lbs of balls. Lift with legs, drop balls in trunk if needed.
I hear that, I'm 5'6" 145lb......the lift of the 48.5 (thanks airport!) 3 ball roller isn't too bad, just need to take a second and lift properly. So really I'm only "lugging" my 2 ball on my shoulder and pulling the 3 ball.
BUT, I do have my 40's to look forward to...... :( :P
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Good sirs, I'm 5'5 and 130 just after having gone nuts at the buffet. All I use anymore are totes and a backpack for my other crud. You have to be careful when moving 50 lbs of balls. Lift with legs, drop balls in trunk if needed.
I hear that, I'm 5'6" 145lb......the lift of the 48.5 (thanks airport!) 3 ball roller isn't too bad, just need to take a second and lift properly. So really I'm only "lugging" my 2 ball on my shoulder and pulling the 3 ball.
BUT, I do have my 40's to look forward to...... :( :P
Lol, my 40s are 9 months away.
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Well, I googled this topic after recently purchasing a 3 ball tote. I wanted one for years, and finally got one... and now I'm like whoa... I start by trying to get the tote down five concrete stairs. I'm worried if I don't pick it up, I'm going to break the wheels. Then I roll it to my two door car, and I wonder where the best place is. Safety is an obvious concern here, as I don't want a bowling bag rolling over my face if I were in a wreck.
I can lift it in the trunk, which is a bit tough but seems to be the best option. I can also pull back the seat and try to get it into the back..but getting it out is usually harder. Someone even suggested putting it into the passenger seat and seatbelting it in (lol). This would be the obvious choice for how easy it is, but I don't think it would be very safe. Is there a certain place people tend to put these? I'm 5'6", about 135.. Figure I'll have some nice arms by the end of the fall season. I've even considered leaving the bag in my car, but I've never done that and don't like that thought.
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you people really cant easily lift 45-50 pounds into a trunk of a standard car using both arms and legs? looks like some people need to do a little more than go from home to their office and back home to the couch every day.
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3 ball bag in the trunk is the way I do it. Have a 2 ball bag I'll make use of for tournaments. Might get a second 3 ball bag.
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you people really cant easily lift 45-50 pounds into a trunk of a standard car using both arms and legs? looks like some people need to do a little more than go from home to their office and back home to the couch every day.
If you're 18 - 45 years old AND in good shape, and the shape of your trunk or back of the truck is easy to put the 50 lb (3 x 15 lb. = 45 lbs. the bag and shoes and all other other stuff does not weight zero!) into the trunk, then yes.
If you have back problems or you're not "spring chicken any more, or your bag is not balanced, or the shape of your trunk is not easy to get the awkward shaped 3 - bag roller into it, then maybe it's not the best thing to do.
For years, I've found a 4 bag roller, which easily breaks down into 2 tw0-ball-bags, much easier to manipulate, get into any trunk, no matter the shape, drag up 5 or 8 steps into the house and back down. Besides with the huge variability in the oil pattern and amount I see in every house, a 3 ball strike arsenal is essential, along with a plastic spare ball.
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Good sirs, I'm 5'5 and 130 just after having gone nuts at the buffet. All I use anymore are totes and a backpack for my other crud. You have to be careful when moving 50 lbs of balls. Lift with legs, drop balls in trunk if needed.
I hear that, I'm 5'6" 145lb......the lift of the 48.5 (thanks airport!) 3 ball roller isn't too bad, just need to take a second and lift properly. So really I'm only "lugging" my 2 ball on my shoulder and pulling the 3 ball.
BUT, I do have my 40's to look forward to...... :( :P
Lol, my 40s are 9 months away.
I turn 70 next month. I still carry the 2 ball section of my 4 ball roller, up and down stairs and around corners and through doorways. Trying to do that with a much bulkier and heavier 3 ball roller is insane and stupid.
I still carry 40, 50 & 80 lb. bags of lawn and garden bags of fertilizer, manure, and insect killer, out of my truck and out into the garden and out into the treed area, 80 and 100 feet away. I'll be damned if I'm going to do that with a bulky and hard to maneuver 3 ball bag.
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you people really cant easily lift 45-50 pounds into a trunk of a standard car using both arms and legs? looks like some people need to do a little more than go from home to their office and back home to the couch every day.
I'm 6'0" and 200lbs and do powerlifting 3-4 days a week and have the same problem as that guy. We aren't talking about lifting 45-50lbs straight up. We are talking about all the odd/vulnerable positions your body has to be in to move this weight (which is awkward in itself: 3 smooth spheres in a row in some tarp-like bag) from point A to point B. It only takes one slip for you to wreck your bowling and your life with 3-balls.
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Necromancer - you are exactly right. I go to the gym 3x a week also and lifting a 50 pound barbel is fine but trying to manipulate the bag into the type of trunk I have while trying not to do any damage isn't always easy. It went smoother today than previous times but I'm still learning. I used to have a 2 ball bag, which I carried on my shoulder. The weight per say isn't the problem... it's the durability of the bag and where you're trying to get it! I'll manage though. I'm just glad I'm not overlooking a simple way I could be doing it.
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