Post by: JOE FALCO on December 08, 2003, 08:12:43 PM
Lane 1
Golden Nugget $185
BCB $185
Ebonite
Obtyx Illusion $146
Addiction $140
TPC Shooter $144
Storm
Fear Factor $144
Hammer
Big Blue $144
Vicious Strike $140
MoRich
Mayhem $145
OnSlaught $144
Brunswick
Blazing Inferno $140
Fuze Inferno $140
Track
Phenom Unleashed $140
Super freak $144
How can anyone claim that they pay as much for other balls as they do for Lane 1? I guess you can't believe ALL YOU READ!
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
ON EDIT CORRECTED SPELLING OF ADDICTION!
Edited on 12/9/2003 12:16 PM
Edited on 12/9/2003 5:02 PM
Post by: Jeffrevs on December 09, 2003, 11:17:53 AM
don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing OR on a soap box for Lane1 equipment...I'm just stating info that I've seen/read.
The real verdict will be out later tonight..........stay tuned
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JEFF
Post by: JOE FALCO on December 09, 2003, 11:22:12 AM
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
Post by: BadShot on December 09, 2003, 11:30:49 AM
i'm not a pro, but i listen around, ya' know???
the pro shop operators can buy into deals with ball companies to get new balls for free when they're introduced, but i think that most companies sell their premium balls to the pro shops for around $120-130. lane #1 pricing starts out at around $159-179 wholesale for their balls, and once you reach a certain volume, you get a discount of up to 20%. thats around $36 for a $179 ball, bringing the cost down to around $143.
so, after a certain level, the pro shop costs is within around $15-20. it may be that the online shops and even the pro shops are charging a premium in some instances because people "expect" to pay more.
i've heard that it's expensive to create the diamond core in the lane #1 balls compared to other cores. who knows. also, it may be more expensive for brunswick to run their balls because the volumes are lower compared to columbia making balls for track.
there's no denying that lane #1 is a more expensive ball . . . but i think in some cases it may be the pro shop operator's decision as to the margin and not lane #1's.
i've paid about the same for all types of balls, but i'm in a lucky situation because my pro shop sells alot of lane #1.
but joe, i enjoyed your post!! it's nice to have some intelligent discussion on occasion. what do you think?
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That which does not kill me makes me stronger . . .
Post by: Brickguy221 on December 09, 2003, 11:34:15 AM
BTW, both Lane 1 balls you quoted are priced at:
Buddies $170 + shipping
Doug Sterner $169 + shipping
And if a person wants to save every $ they can, then order direct from Lane 1 and get either ball for $179 "SHIPPED"
I don't believe the ball prices you gave include shipping on any of them, do they? The shipping costs can add or subtract anywhere from $3 to $8 from the total cost of the ball shipped, depending who you are ordering from.
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In the old days, they used axes to chop up wood...Nowadays, they use "BUZZSAWS".
Post by: Berreez on December 09, 2003, 11:56:01 AM
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My wrist brace is just like my RADAR detector, I really don't need it but it sure makes me feel better when I have it on.
Post by: JOE FALCO on December 09, 2003, 03:50:06 PM
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
Post by: SrKegler on December 09, 2003, 05:34:24 PM
He's stating the prices of lane 1 isn't that far off from other top of the line balls. This is the same thing us Lane 1 fanatics have been arguing for months, just didn't have the figures to back it up. I think some dufus paid over $350 for his Lane 1 and then complained about the price.If I read your post wrong, sorry Joe.
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~~~SrK - Have balls, will travel
Post by: laner7pin on December 09, 2003, 05:39:04 PM
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This post was brought to you by just another lefty hack who considers covering corners bonus pins added to the series....
Post by: sdbowler on December 09, 2003, 06:01:03 PM
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time to leave South Dakota
Post by: Brickguy221 on December 09, 2003, 08:46:32 PM
Geezzz, I never saw people before, like some of the people on this site that worry about the price of something they aren't going to buy in the first place. The bottom line is that if anyone really-really wants to buy a Buzzsaw, they will buy it regardless of price.
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In the old days, they used axes to chop up wood...Nowadays, they use "BUZZSAWS".
Post by: Brickguy221 on December 10, 2003, 10:53:51 AM
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In the old days, they used axes to chop up wood...Nowadays, they use "BUZZSAWS".
Post by: JOE FALCO on December 10, 2003, 11:15:35 AM
THE POINT WAS THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR OTHER BALLS .. AND I SHOWED THE PRICES FOR ALL BALLS .. WE KNOW LANE 1 IS EXPENSIVE .. NOW I AM TRYING TO GET BOWLERS TO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THEY MIGHT BE SPENDING TOO MUCH ON OTHER MANUFACTURERS!
WHERE DID I GO WRONG?
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
Post by: Steven on December 10, 2003, 11:33:38 AM
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WHERE DID I GO WRONG?
Joe, you're probably not reading this because I asked you to put me on your ignore list (and I think you complied), but if not, here it goes.
What's wrong (besides the way you worded your post) is your base premise. In general, you cannot get the Lane#1 balls you referenced for the same price as other manufacturer's high-end equipment. An honest proshop operator will charge more for a Lane#1 ball than the others because it costs him more to buy it. If you see a an X-Factor Deuce priced the same as BCB in a shop, that owner is trying to extort more profit on the Storm ball than he is getting on the Lane#1. Period.
Of course, we live in a free enterprise system, so the shop can charge whatever it thinks it can get. Buyers beware.
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Post by: 9andaWiggle on December 10, 2003, 11:59:58 AM
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Post by: Gravy on December 10, 2003, 12:01:59 PM
Post by: JOE FALCO on December 10, 2003, 12:23:37 PM
I didn't know I POSTED IN THE LANE 1 COLUMN .. What gives with you guys? Makes me think of the little boy who tells a LIE and has to keep lying to cover up his previous comments .. I'M TRYING TO ASSIST THOSE BOWLERS (OTHER THEN LANE 1 FANATICS) TO SHOP AROUND IF THEY ARE PAYING LANE 1 PRICES FOR OTHER THEN LANE 1 BALLS! If you are buying LANE 1 balls why are you chirping in? JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
Post by: Rileybowler on December 10, 2003, 12:48:10 PM
Post by: JOE FALCO on December 10, 2003, 12:54:16 PM
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
Post by: Rick Wunder on December 10, 2003, 01:41:48 PM
Now, before you come back and suggest that if these pro shop operators can lower their margins on Lane 1 balls, they should be able to lower them on all of them, that is not necessarily true. If they were to lower their margins on all of the their ball lines, they would probably not be able to afford to stay in business. There is a reason that their margins must be what they are, and lowering the margin on one ball line will not lower the average margin by very much. As I said before, it is a business decision to attract and keep more customers.
Disclosure: In our shop, we don't stock Lane 1 products, only partially due to the higher price. If one of our customers comes in and asks for a Lane 1 ball, we'll be happy to order it for him/her, letting them know up front how much the ball will cost.
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RW (THB)
Post by: Brickguy221 on December 10, 2003, 05:45:10 PM
Now at this cheaper shop, the Shooter costs $140, drilling $50, and shipping to where I live $13. This is a total of $203.
Now on the BCB, You saw where ringing 10 paid $195 to a Lane 1 Dealer for a BCB drilled and shipped to his location. I haven't asked for a price from this dealer yet, but I did from another Lane 1 dealer and he quoted me $210, drilled and shipped to my location. That is only $7 more for the Lane 1 and since those balls fit my style best, it is worth the extra $7 to me.....And I am going to ask the dealer that ringing 10 got his ball from for a price and if he quotes me the same $195, then that is $8 less than this on line shop that has the cheaper prices for all balls.
To sum it up, if a person is buying a ball from the cheaper shop and and plans to get it drilled elsewhere, then Lane 1 is 21% more at this particular shop. However if the person buys the ball from the cheaper shop and gets it drilled there, then the price for it and the Lane 1 is virtually the same. $8 less at one Lane 1 dealer and $7 more at the other.....This is an example of where Lane 1 bowlers are coming from, when they say they can buy a Buzzsaw for the same price as another company's premimum balls.
Are the bowlers paying too much for any brand of ball?...I don't have the answer to that question, but I do know that premimum balls such as the Shooter XL, Addiction, Inferno, Duece, etc where I live cost from $234 to $258 depending which shop you go to....So are the Pro Shops ripping people off where I live? I don't know the answer to that question because I don't know what they have to pay the regional Distributor for the balls.
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In the old days, they used axes to chop up wood...Nowadays, they use "BUZZSAWS".
Post by: janderson on December 10, 2003, 05:57:55 PM
I've noticed a trend in ball pricing at the local pro shops. This is a large metropolis and I've priced equipment at six different shops. The trend I've noticed here is that the pro shop owners here seem to want to price their equipment the way the bars price their drinks. That is to say, depending on the general "type" of ball, it is given a specific price. In a bar, you typically have (names will vary) liquor sorted into "well", "call", "premium", and "top shelf". So whether you're buying a "well" rum or "well" brandy or "well" scotch, they're all the same price.
The pro shops seem to have high performance, mid performance, low performance, and spare ball categories. For example, at one shop, whether you buy a Hammer Vicous Pearl, an Ebonite Obsession, Lane #1 Black Cherry Bomb, or a Storm Fear Factor, they're all considered "high performance" and are all the same exact price.
So in these situations, yes Joe, you're correct. The uninformed public is spending as much on other equipment as the Lane 1 stuff.
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Post by: Robin on December 10, 2003, 06:09:48 PM
Post by: JOE FALCO on December 10, 2003, 10:09:14 PM
I hear the comment about DEALER MARK-UP and I understand how certain BALLS could be MARKED DOWN to keep a customer base .. but doesn't that BLOW YOUR MIND that BOWLERS would be so gullible? Before I buy ANYTHING I make sure the price is in the BALLPARK .. 25% HIGHER .. is NOT IN THE BALL PARK!
Thanks for your comments .. I hope we got to ONE BOWLER .. I'll be happy!
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
Post by: arcright7 on December 10, 2003, 11:40:43 PM
I understood the point you were trying to make also. What I don't understand is the mindset of some of the people here. They tell you to knock off the topics concerning Lane1 pricing. Then they turn around and ask who are you to tell them how much they should spend on balls? Well who are they to tell you what you can and can't write? It's a two way street folks! Ever heard of freedom of speech? If you don't like a particular topic (here's a thought) move on to the next one! Perhaps you are not the one the person who wrote it is trying to reach...duh. I realize there are some things that can't or should not be written, and we all know what these things are...but come on. If you reply to a topic "YOU CONTIBUTE TO IT". Maybe you should ask yourself why you bothered to instead. Ok that's off my chest. Sorry if I was offensive. Just giving my (entitled) two cents.
....arc7