Author Topic: Easier shot? (Read 1782 times)

gsback · « **on:** January 21, 2010, 06:50:54 AM »

Since pumpkinA went ahead and ruined Jim's post congratulating Bill on his 899 series.....AND hasn't done what I and many other have suggested, then I will.

I bowled in the 70s as a kid and quit probably around around '77 or so as I would have been heading into High School and there were too many things going on to keep bowling going for me.

Plain and simply put.....I don't remember it. So I am asking many of you old timers that played in that era. I remember many people talking about the track and how people knew where the track was and that when found it made getting to pocket easier, etc.

Granted ball technology didn't hit urethane until sometime after that (I believe), how do those of you that have bowled for that many years compare it?

In Jim's thread, the following struck me:

quote:
I've been bowling since the mid to late 60's and technology has changed, but I still see a lot of people leaving single pins on relatively awesome shots! I left corner pins in the 70's and I'm leaving corner pins 30+ years later! I give Bill credit for 35 of 36 strikes and it's an awesome feat no matter what year!

I guess in the end, what's really changed?
--------------------
BR.com.....going down the toilet one nugget at a time!!

g thing is back....with a vengeance!!

www.visionarybowling.com - Accept no substitute for the very best there is!!

ralphiejantz · « **Reply #16 on:** January 25, 2010, 04:25:52 PM »

the answer to the scoring is not to limit the amount of hit on the balls
its too make less area on the lane
and that is achieved with the sport patterns

the focus should be on "shot" making

thats what seperates good bowlers from house hacks the skill to make accurate shots

if its not for that then all you really have to do is chuck the ball down the lane hit the pocket and get some carry and you can easily average in the 215-220 range

I hate the mentality of a house shot bowler

bowlerfromwyo · « **Reply #17 on:** January 25, 2010, 09:59:27 PM »

It would be nice if the Usbc created a collection of standardized patterns that houses had to use for the leagues to be sanctioned. I mean I dont think it would be very hard to police, considering the lanes could be taped by local officers or what not every month or so. I really dont think you would have to worry about people going to different houses to bowl if all they are going to get is more of the same from the other, just different lane characteristics.

gsback · « **Reply #18 on:** January 26, 2010, 10:49:42 AM »

Thanks acvar....this is something I was really wondering about and was looking for someone to say because this was what I thought.

Again, I don't disagree that the balls and lane conditions allow more people to score higher today than before. But I see a different kind of work needed in the game today than what was needed before.

I've seen plenty of one dimensional good bowlers. By good, I use that in reference to those people that are averaging 200-210, they use one or two balls, and literally make no changes during league. When they shot is there, they are shooting lights out. As that shot transitions, they do nothing....and literally wait out the bad until it again transitions enough to where the shot is something they can score on.

Above is where the work is needed. Most of us carry a couple balls (and sometimes a couple too many at that) and understanding something about what the lanes are doing, who you are bowling with and how they are affecting them, and what ball to change to or where to move are all things I don't believe needed to be taken into consideration before. They do now though.
--------------------
BR.com.....going down the toilet one nugget at a time!!

g thing is back....with a vengeance!!

www.visionarybowling.com - Accept no substitute for the very best there is!!

completebowler · « **Reply #19 on:** January 26, 2010, 10:54:27 AM »

quote:
quote:
No I wouldn't. But I know I would be around 205-210 which was an upper end player back in the day. I carry high 220 most places now so I think I would still be one of the better bowlers.

Not trying to stir the pot or get you all riled up, but I've seen many a high average bowler (excellent bowlers who average quite a bit higher than you anywhere they bowl on a THS), and when they have joined tough sport pattern leagues, they have averaged quite lower than the average you believe you would attain under such conditions.

I'm not saying you might not be able to hit your lofty goal, but the only sure way for you to know is for you to stop kidding yourself, join a sport/PBAX complant type league, and find out--otherwise you're just stroking your own ego.

--------------------
If it is to be, it is up to me.

My career avg. at the USBC is 208. I have bowled quite a few sweeper tournaments on PBA patterns and usually stay in the 200 range...I have even won a couple. I shot 792 in doubles in '06 in the Stadium. I think I would be ok.

Like I said...the guys that learned to bowl in the resin era have a disadvantage in my mind. Also WHO you bowl with is VERY important. Those patterns get crazy if you don't attempt to groom them. This is one of the reasons why pros do better than top end amateurs.
--------------------

completebowler · « **Reply #20 on:** January 26, 2010, 11:04:40 AM »

quote:
the answer to the scoring is not to limit the amount of hit on the balls
its too make less area on the lane
and that is achieved with the sport patterns

the focus should be on "shot" making

thats what seperates good bowlers from house hacks the skill to make accurate shots

if its not for that then all you really have to do is chuck the ball down the lane hit the pocket and get some carry and you can easily average in the 215-220 range

I hate the mentality of a house shot bowler

It is the power of the balls and the walled up patterns that make things easier. This is what increases pin carry which, imo, is the big difference.

As I said before...I could find 4-6 boards of area with urethane (still can) to the pocket. But only 1-2 would carry.

Now on most THS with the newer equip I have 8 boards to the pocket and 4-5 will carry.
--------------------

gsback · « **Reply #21 on:** January 26, 2010, 11:05:21 AM »

quote:
This is one of the reasons why pros do better than top end amateurs.

And a reason why I believe the PBA Experiance leagues really aren't anything like the PBA.

The people I've seen bowl in them want to learn, but they don't have the correct tools and equipment to break the shots down like the pros do.

To me, that would explain why someone throwing in PBA Experience and bowling in Regionals might fare better in the Regionals.

Just my thought.

--------------------
BR.com.....going down the toilet one nugget at a time!!

g thing is back....with a vengeance!!

www.visionarybowling.com - Accept no substitute for the very best there is!!

completebowler · « **Reply #22 on:** January 26, 2010, 11:23:59 AM »

The guys that we see that drop 40-50 pins for the most part are the huge power players that learned to bowl in the resin era and don't quite understand finesse.

I won a sweeper in Nov. on the Shark pattern. Had a group of guys (a couple that were regional staff bowlers) that tried attacking from deep inside by increasing rev rate.

When I beat them they were off to the side snickering and talking sh!t cause "he's got no hand". I used a pin low Attitude Shift, took my hand out, and stroked it real smooth laying down at 7-8 with a bp at 10. Pissed them off good. But it felt old school urethane style to me.

At Nationals my first look always will be 35 looking at 8 at the range finders. So I can hook it with the best of 'em.

Point is many, many high end bowlers think it is all about power. Sean Rash, Robert Smith style bowlers. Plenty of power but when they blow up look out. I model my game after Brian Voss and when I need to kill my hand like Duke does. This is the kinda control necessary to stay around the 1-3 on PBA patterns. That's why you see the high rev players get hot for a while...tear it up...then disappear. In the meantime guys like Duke, WRW, Barnes are there year after year....for decades.
--------------------

BowlingWolf · « **Reply #23 on:** January 26, 2010, 01:32:45 PM »

quote:
The guys that we see that drop 40-50 pins for the most part are the huge power players that learned to bowl in the resin era and don't quite understand finesse.

Plenty of bowlers in the resin area understand finesse.

Had you said power players in general don't understand finesse that would've been more accurate, as the less experienced ones tend to want to see the ball cross too many boards (the smaller the belly of a shot, the less there is room for error).

"Soft fingers" was developed by power-type bowlers that learned to bowl with resin, and even plastic and rubber.

Many new-age players exemplify the bowlers that are unable to adjust to the tougher lane conditions.

Learning how to play the lanes and proper execution is what comprises overall good, sound fundamental mechanicsâ€”this has not to do with when one learned to play the game, but rather how it was learned.

--------------------
If it is to be, it is up to me.

Author Topic: Easier shot? (Read 1782 times)

gsback

Easier shot?

ralphiejantz

Re: Easier shot?

bowlerfromwyo

Re: Easier shot?

gsback

Re: Easier shot?

completebowler

Re: Easier shot?

completebowler

Re: Easier shot?

gsback

Re: Easier shot?

completebowler

Re: Easier shot?

BowlingWolf

Re: Easier shot?