It depends. If it is a ball I really want and it is on closeout; I will buy off of cheapbowlingballs.com. I bought a Beast and Messenger NIB for $120 total and with free shipping a few years ago. If I dont want to wait until a ball goes on closeout; then I will go to Striking Results Atlanta and consult with Dannial Cohen before we make a decision to punch something up. But either way, all balls a punched up at his pro shop.