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RyanRPS

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Bowling League on Multiple Condition
« on: September 29, 2011, 11:11:38 PM »
We are starting a new league that will be played over a number of different oil patterns through the season..
 
I can foresee a few problems, like people complaining who they end up playing on various patterns as different patterns will suit different players.
 
I know a lot of you play this sort of league, such as PBAX leagues, so I was wondering if you could share how these problems are overcome or avoided?  Or any other problems that we can maybe try to avoid?
 
We were thinking that if we play patterns in the long/short catagories, then if we switch the schedule round for the second half of the league, so you play everyone on a long pattern and a short pattern, that should even things out..
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Re: Bowling League on Multiple Condition
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2011, 07:30:59 AM »
Should be no bitching if everyone knows up front what the conditions are.  If they still bitch after they KNOW the facts, they have a problem with themselves...


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Re: Bowling League on Multiple Condition
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2011, 07:38:43 AM »

 



Good Times Good Times wrote on 9/30/2011 7:30 AM:
Should be no bitching if everyone knows up front what the conditions are.  If they still bitch after they KNOW the facts, they have a problem with themselves...



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Re: Bowling League on Multiple Condition
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2011, 08:03:05 AM »
HA!  I Agree :)
 
What we are thinking of doing is playing patterns for 2 weeks at a time, short, long short, etc, then flipping the schedule for the second half.. that way you get a second crack at every pattern to make adjustments, and also you will not play your apponent on the same catagory of pattern both times round.. 
 
Also going to give everyone a schedule so that they can practice on the pattern prior to the league week for that pattern if they like..
 


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Re: Bowling League on Multiple Condition
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2011, 08:41:48 AM »
Make sure everyone has a schedule of the patterns and let them see how the match-ups are random. Just like brackets.
 
But the one thing to remember, they are bowlers, so there will be whining and complaining. It's what we do!  
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Re: Bowling League on Multiple Condition
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2011, 08:43:43 AM »
For position round do the US Open patter on both lanes 

OR

 

Go something long like Shark on the left and Cheetah on the right lane 



RyanRPS wrote on 9/30/2011 8:03 AM:
HA!  I Agree :)

 

What we are thinking of doing is playing patterns for 2 weeks at a time, short, long short, etc, then flipping the schedule for the second half.. that way you get a second crack at every pattern to make adjustments, and also you will not play your apponent on the same catagory of pattern both times round.. 

 

Also going to give everyone a schedule so that they can practice on the pattern prior to the league week for that pattern if they like..

 


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Re: Bowling League on Multiple Condition
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2011, 08:49:42 AM »
This similar to people complaining they bowl on lanes 1 & 2 more than anyone else in the league. It shouldn't make a difference what the pattern is week to week. If your league is getting that picky, then don't do it.

 

What happens on the night the oil machine breaks, and half the lanes are not oiled correctly. Is your league going to demand the center fix it. Are you going to reschedule so everything is fair?

 

I really think at times that league bowlers are whinest group of people.

 

Maybe your league needs to adopt a two ball rule for the entire season. It's not fair that some bowlers have different bowling balls for each condition and others only have one.
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Re: Bowling League on Multiple Condition
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2011, 09:16:02 AM »
Good times, we are going to have a positioning round at the end of each half.. one will be on the commonweaths short pattern (35ft) and the other on the commonwealths long pattern (45 i think)...
 
We won't have any rules regarding how many balls... I dont think anyone really believes that you should be able to use the same ball on any pattern.. not when you are talking about kegal sport series patterns which vary from 35 to 45 ft in length.. so bowlers who have taken the time and money to get a good arsenal set up deserve to be able to use them to the best of their ability on the given patterns...
 
 


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Re: Bowling League on Multiple Condition
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2011, 10:23:23 AM »
I guess I don't see too much to complain about when it comes to teams whining about matching up against certain teams on certain shots.

As long as the league agrees to the oil pattern schedule BEFORE teams numbers are assigned and the schedule determined, it is all just luck. 

As for days when the shot is different on some lanes due to equipment malfunction or something like that, once again, the league standings only reflect how you bowl against the competition on the same pair that night.  The only time this issue comes into play is if there are brackets and side pots which are not the leagues responsibility.  If the mechanic accidentally gave half the lanes a house shot instead of the U.S. Open pattern, then the bowlers are competing on fair conditions for that night since both teams bowl on the same pattern.

I personally would want more than 2 weeks on a particular shot before changing since it may take more than 2 weeks to get in a groove on the shot.  A 4 (or similar) week interval seems like a good length of time since it would give the bowlers a chance to get used to a shot and perhaps get some good scores under their belt.  This would improve moral of the league, improve the chances of slightly higher averages and increase the number of repeat bowlers the next time you have this league.


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Re: Bowling League on Multiple Condition
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2011, 08:44:55 AM »
I was in a summer PBAx league.  It was a handicap league (80 or 90% of 200 I think) and the oil patterns they put out were shorter ones (Cheetah, Viper) first, longer ones (Scorpian, Shark) last.  In the end, all the higher rev guys ended up at the top because they struggled more on the shorter patterns, built a higher handicap and cashed in when the longer patterns kicked in.  Strokers did well at first, but their averages progressively got worse as we got to the longer patterns. 

 

Didn't really seem right to me.  If it was scratch it would be fine, but with handicap it matters what order you lay down the oil patterns, not to favor one style over the other later in the year when the averages aren't going to move as much.  Best would probably be to start with a medium then alternate short and long patterns.
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Re: Bowling League on Multiple Condition
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2011, 10:29:18 AM »
I have bowled in couple of these leagues.  Both of these were winter leagues, not summer leagues.  One changed the pattern every week based on the pattern used that week on tour.  The other had a set schedule and kept each pattern 3 weeks.  We were lucky and didn't have any complaining.

 

We also used Cheetah on one lane and Shark on the other.  That was interesting.  The problem with that is the number of balls people keep either on the rack, on the floor or on the seats.  Each person had at least 3 balls.  One for each lane and a spare ball.  If people were struggling to find  line, there was even more equipment close by. 


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Re: Bowling League on Multiple Condition
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2011, 02:46:06 PM »
This past summer I tried a PBA league and they did 3 weeks on a given pattern and then changed it up.
The Brunswick Zone I bowl at would put out the next weeks pattern on two lanes on Sunday morning for those of us that wanted to try them before league night.
It was a heck of challenge trying to figure out how to line up, but will most likely do it again.
Oh and this was a scratch league.


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Re: Bowling League on Multiple Condition
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2011, 04:58:26 PM »
The best way to do it is take the number of patterns you are bowling on and divide it into the number of weeks you bowl.  We bowl on seven Kegel challenge series throughout the year.  Last year we did a two week one pattern than three week next.  This year we are doing five weeks of a pattern before changing to next pattern.  I much prefer the 2-3 rotation.  You see the different patterns more often that way and you don't have five straight weeks of a pattern that doesn't match your game.    



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Re: Bowling League on Multiple Condition
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2011, 08:54:19 PM »
both of my leagues are doing this with the kegel patterns for the last 3 years now.  This is the only way to bowl in my opinion.  Many positives from bowling on this.  Both of them only use 4 patterns and rotate them in a little different manner.  I like it when you only bowl on a pattern for 2 or 3 weeks but one of my leagues rotates every 4.  If your league truely wants a competitive scoring envioroment and can leave their ego's at the door then you should be fine.


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Re: Bowling League on Multiple Condition
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2011, 02:04:46 AM »
 



Good Times Good Times wrote on 30.09.2011 7:30 AM:
Should be no bitching if everyone knows up front what the conditions are.  If they still bitch after they KNOW the facts, they have a problem with themselves... 

That's one important factor: having a public oil pattern schedule, and maybe offering that pattern for practice beforehand. Another good option is to repeat the pattern thoughout the season, so that you can actually learn from your experience (if you want to or able to...).

 

Sure there will be wailers who cannot adjust, but since the conditions are equal for everyone I hardly see any hard argument behind this.


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