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Zanatos1914

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Bowling question
« on: August 23, 2012, 05:20:25 PM »
If you request to have a ball drilled to be extremely aggressive and when it touches the ground you want it 2 turn what should you expect... We all know bowling balls need friction to turn so was that a wasted request or what should you generally expect....
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Re: Bowling question
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2012, 11:09:52 PM »
Expect it to hook at your toe and look like its not hooking at all, or sparks, left gutter.
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Jesse James

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Re: Bowling question
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2012, 05:10:46 PM »
Are you bowling on a flooded pattern? Who the heck needs an extremely aggressively drilled piece?? I just sayin'.   ???

If you sand the surface of most already drilled balls, regardless of drilling, you'll get an agressive reaction.
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Zanatos1914

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Re: Bowling question
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2012, 05:22:53 PM »
On the sport shot - Needed something....  Nothing else would check up
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David Lee Yskes

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Re: Bowling question
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2012, 09:44:30 PM »
Quote from: Zanatos1914 on August 24, 2012, 05:22:53 PM
On the sport shot - Needed something....  Nothing else would check up

what kind of sport shot??  pattern? length??   

you could try a " double thumb " drilling... 

also are you using a low grit cover? something like 1000grit or 800grit?? maybe even lower... you can do this to try to burn up a dry spot... 

doing a Max hook drilling probably isnt always the best too...  you could probably  just do a pin down drilling... 


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Re: Bowling question
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2012, 10:48:05 PM »
Maybe you need less hook...I don't know how you throw the ball but I see WAY too many people think that more hook is the way to let them throw it right and have it come back.  Sometimes the ball is reading the pattern too fast and using its energy up before reaching the backend, and then has nothing left to make the turn.
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Re: Bowling question
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2012, 08:36:58 AM »
Even if you have a lot of hand, some patterns just won't hook a lot.  You're going to have to learn to score without feeding the ball right all the time.  When I finally learned how to throw more like a stroker (start closer to the friction, keep it in the oil longer, and just bump the friction near the break point), my scores on sport shots went way up.  Even if the break point is 5, instead of crossing close to 20 like you might on a house shot, you're usually better off finding a way to manipulate your release and crossing 10-12.  It will take time getting used to less friction outside like a THS, but you just have to practice.
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Re: Bowling question
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2012, 10:09:01 AM »
 I WOULD EXPECT TO BE WRONG BECAUSE-
First thing:
 NOTHING, AND I MEAN NOTHING, WILL HOOK IN TOO MUCH OIL.

 Second thing:
 NO DRILLING PATTERN CAN MAKE ANY BALL HOOK IN MORE CONDITIONER THAN IT WAS DESIGNED FOR.

 I have a question, perhaps more than that, that I would like to ask:

 1. Was anyone else in the league getting their ball to hook and finish?

 IF SO, DID YOU:

 2. Take time to observe, or perhaps even ask, how they got it to do that?

 OR DID YOU:

 3. Just assume that you should max drill a ball, and that would solve all your problems?


 Everything is relative. If your release makes even the most aggressive balls tend to skid upon release, there is no drilling that will change your release, YOU would have to make some adjustments to "correct" that.

 If it would help you, the earliest rolling ball I've ever heard of was the Visionary Centaur AMB PARTICLE. Everyone I've ever talked to that has thrown that ball has said that it was the most aggressive ball that they had EVER seen.

 Might try to find one of those if you cant get anything else to read the pattern, but they were designed for EXTREME OIL conditions.
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Re: Bowling question
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2012, 10:49:34 AM »
Hook is primarily a function of the friction between the ball and the lane combined with your release.  Drilling patterns are incremental.  An early roll aggressive drill pattern will have a skid flip look on a 40 foot pattern with flying back ends.  A weak drilling will hook early and burn on a short pattern.  You can do more with hand position to minimize the impact of the oil pattern than you can with layouts.
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Re: Bowling question
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2012, 03:53:24 PM »
This doesn't sound like needing the most aggressive equipment or drilling but you are probably playing the pattern incorrectly. I saw so many league bowlers that tried this for the first time and had no idea how to change lines, ball speed and most of all release.

Flat oil compared to a crowned shot is apples and oranges.
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