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Raven829

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Handicap...is there a "fair" number?
« on: August 27, 2008, 03:49:31 AM »
Tonight our league is having a meeting.  I'm planning on bringing up the issue of our ridiculous handicap.  

It is set at 100% of 220.  That is awfully high in the first place.  The topper is that there is negative handicap for those of us that carry an average greater than 220 (was about 7 or 8 of us last season).  For example, last season I averaged 227.  If I bowled say 220, I would have a handicap score of 213.  Getting punished for working on my game is a little odd if you ask me.  

I've always thought that it should be set a few pins higher than the highest average in the league.  A guy last season averaged 233, so I would think that it should be based upon say 235.  To keep it from being a pins over average league you have to change the 100%, but to what?  

The whole reason for this is because the better teams have been getting trounced the last couple seasons.  The league is fairly competitive and there isn't a HUGE gap in talent, but there's enough to make the handicap significant.  The team with the worst team average won the league last year, while the team with the highest team average took dead last out of 14 teams.  The other top 3 teams all finished in the bottom 5.  It was more of the same two years ago when the 2nd lowest team average took first, with the best team finishing 13th.  

I'm all for everyone having a fair shot at winning the league.  I do not want to shut out the "lesser" teams from having a fair shake.  But I also do not think that the better teams and bowlers should go into a season thinking that they are going to get raped by handicap.  

What would you guys suggest I mention for a more fair handicap number?  90% of 235?  There's enough of us upset about it to pass a league vote for a change of some sort.  

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Re: Handicap...is there a "fair" number?
« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2008, 10:39:06 PM »
Strike Domination,

80% of x means you subtract the sheet average from the x and multiply by .80. example - bolwer average = 150 and x = 200, 200-150= 50 x .80 = 40 pins hdcp
at 90% of 200 the bowler would get 90% or .90 of 50 or 45 pins hdcp.
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Re: Handicap...is there a "fair" number?
« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2008, 10:46:56 PM »
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Seems Mr Steven has something against SENIOR LEAGUES .. perhaps he should look a little closer .. not all seniors are in wheelchairs!


Joe: I have nothing against senior leagues or senior bowlers. I happen to be a member of the WCST which is a SENIOR scratch tournament club made up of some very good older bowlers. The common thread is that they're not afraid to bowl anyone straight up, and they certainly don't whine about handicap. I wish you were in my area -- you'd have some serious role models from which to learn.

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You were the only one on my ignore list and you came off for 5 minutes .. just can't deal with your almighty attitude! Goodbye again!


You continue to have the staying power of the marshmallow man facing a little heat. So please, if I come off you ignore list just put me back on. Really, stop with the kiddy ignore list and offer some real conversation. Who know, you might grow to like it.
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Re: Handicap...is there a "fair" number?
« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2008, 11:13:36 PM »
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Capped Scratch is actually a much better system that promotes more equity and better competition, but bowlers (in general) dismiss the concept without any real thought.


You got it Steven!!!  Problem is folks don't want to split up their teams but a number of years ago this was/is the fairest way to bowl IMO.

One issue we haven't touched on in this thread is lane conditions.  Easy China tight backends favors high average bowlers.  Carry fest is good for high strike % players.
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Re: Handicap...is there a "fair" number?
« Reply #49 on: August 28, 2008, 12:37:52 AM »
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Strike Domination,

80% of x means you subtract the sheet average from the x and multiply by .80. example - bolwer average = 150 and x = 200, 200-150= 50 x .80 = 40 pins hdcp
at 90% of 200 the bowler would get 90% or .90 of 50 or 45 pins hdcp.


Thanks for clarifying that.
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Re: Handicap...is there a "fair" number?
« Reply #50 on: August 28, 2008, 01:09:44 AM »
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  you have the right idea now.. go enjoy yourself with family and friends.. do the best you can do on that given day and have some fun.. sooner or later they will understand, but it will probably be the later end that gets it..  
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