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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: mainzer on May 27, 2022, 07:34:31 PM
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I see a few people piss and moan about bowling against Pros at the Open, my question is why bitch? Are they mad about losing another spot or two? 99% don't have a chance of making decent money in the first place. Why not give it a go? Try to beat that guy or at least learn from what they are doing.
Just another example of why the only problem with bowling is the bowlers.
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Amateur tournaments should be for amateurs. I already know the PBA pros are better than me; I don't need to compete against them in a tournament to know this.
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I guess I should reply as I have done my share of bitch8ng about this. I don't mind the pro's bowling , but when that sorry ass piece of shit Chad Murphy tried to tell us that a 176 average bowler should have to bowl against the pros, collegiate, and amateurs who are for all intents and purposes professional and average well over 200 on sport conditions, then screw him. Chad Murphy ic a sorry ass loser and needs to go. Not to mention, the PWBA bowlers are allowed to double dip with the Open and the Ladies tournament. No wonder we don't get better participation.
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I'll compete against anyone, at any time, in any Center, on any pattern. However, when you have to shell out that much money for travel, dining, entry, shipping, and everything else, it's really hard to justify. I love competition, but let's face it, someone with a PBA card that bowls as often as they practice and compete on patterns, is going to be able to beat my best day with their mediocre day 90% of the time.
The USBC needs to go back to placing them in their own division like they used to be. And it's not crying about having to bowl with touring players. I don't want to bowl against people getting 70 pins a game handicap either.
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Amateur tournaments should be for amateurs. I already know the PBA pros are better than me; I don't need to compete against them in a tournament to know this.
So when you bowl leagues against a group of good bowlers do you get a sub for yourself because you can't win?
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I don’t think the USBC Open Championships is a mandatory tournament for members. If you do not like the rules do not bowl. If enough lesser players like yourself stop going maybe they will come up with a HDC version for you.
I don't know who that supposed to be aimed at but I have no issues bowling against Pros or anyone else for that matter.
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I don’t think the USBC Open Championships is a mandatory tournament for members. If you do not like the rules do not bowl. If enough lesser players like yourself stop going maybe they will come up with a HDC version for you.
I don't know who that supposed to be aimed at but I have no issues bowling against Pros or anyone else for that matter.
. Great bring your wallet to Arkansas then
I won't need my wallet you will be paying me
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Amateur tournaments should be for amateurs. I already know the PBA pros are better than me; I don't need to compete against them in a tournament to know this.
The top amateurs are also better than you. Should they not be allowed to bowl?
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Personal opinion only....regardless of pro or amateur status, the prospect of having someone who averages 176 competing against a top level bowler is tough/almost impossible.
Problem is if you were to make a new cutoff instead of 175, what is the magic number for the new average cutoff? If you make it 195, we would have the same argument that someone who averages 196 can't compete against these guys (Pros and top level amateurs) either. Because they can't, at least 99% of them unless someone has a magical couple of days.
Bottom line is unless USBC creates a Pro/top amateur only division, this argument will always occur. I am in NO WAY advocating for such a division.
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As others have said, if you don't like the rules don't bowl in the tournament.
I bowled in a local house shot doubles no-tap tournament a few years ago. A couple of regional PBA players came in and shot 1790 and won. That was the last time I bowled in that tournament as I don't think that PBA players should be beating up on non-professional bowlers in a no-tap on a house shot.
A family member bowled in a state tournament last weekend. Rules stated that teams could have no more than 2 PWBA members, and doubles could consist of only 1 PWBA member. Seems like a reasonable rule. No one that placed in the top 10 was a professional.
I think professionals should have their own tournaments, and amateurs should have their own. If an amateur wants to bowl in a professional event, they can join the PBA, pay the membership fee, and give it a run. If a pro reaches the point where they no longer want to bowl in pro events, they can cancel their pro membership and get back into amatuer events (after some sort of required waiting period.)
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Fir many years the pros had their own classic division at nationals. It was far from perfect but way better than today's set up.
I do always remember what a team mate told me the first time we bowled nationals back in the 70s. He said you will be shocked how many great players are not pros and how many mediocre players are PBA members.
The truth is that most regular division entrants had no mire chance back then than the do today but at least they didn't have to go against top tier pros who are on TV every week.
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Arkansas? Now that's funny. ::)
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Most are going to donate at Nationals against pros or top amateurs when seeing those kinds of conditions. They bowl on 2:1 regularly not once a year at a tournament. Most don't understand they need two teams working together to score. It's not setup for most bowlers to succeed. That's why so many go out there to make $$$$$ off the donators.
I don't blame anyone for not wanting to spend that kind of money to go bowl that tournament. It doesn't make sense for many who go.
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I do always remember what a team mate told me the first time we bowled nationals back in the 70s. He said you will be shocked how many great players are not or is and how many mediocre players are PBA members.
This is still true today. There are many good amateur bowlers who are not PBA members. I know a few people who are actually PBA members (as a status symbol/think they're better than they are) and have no shot in our local 8 gamers ran on challenge or sport.
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Only takes a 200 average at the easiest house around to be a PBA member. Seems like that should be tightened a bit.
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In my books since we all pretty much bowl to try and make money and most wouldn't bowl if they couldn't make some of their money back, then we are all professionals.
To me it is funny how we only think that members of the PBA are professional. A true amateur would not be able to accept cash prizes.
I know I have no chance anymore but I still like to compete. My main regret with the open tournament is that it no longer moves around the country.
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One of my favorite lyrics to listen to before bowling. “Worst of the best but I’m in this race, you don’t know me†I knew in the long run that I was competing against people better than me. But it made me a better bowler, and my good days could beat there average days.
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A professional is someone participating as their job or main source of income. Amateurs are simply partaking in a pastime or hobby. Most amateurs go in to a tournament hoping to bowl well and maybe place high enough to win something. Maybe even win the entry fee back and break even. Hopefully there aren't any amateurs regularly going in to tournaments with the expectation they will make a huge profit. That's just not realistic.
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A professional is someone participating as their job or main source of income. Amateurs are simply partaking in a pastime or hobby. Most amateurs go in to a tournament hoping to bowl well and maybe place high enough to win something. Maybe even win the entry fee back and break even. Hopefully there aren't any amateurs regularly going in to tournaments with the expectation they will make a huge profit. That's just not realistic.
This is exactly how I feel going into a tournament. I really enjoy the experience rather than worrying about winning anything and I love bowling against people that are supposed to be better than me because it makes me focus more. At that point who knows what will happen.
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A professional is someone participating as their job or main source of income. Amateurs are simply partaking in a pastime or hobby. Most amateurs go in to a tournament hoping to bowl well and maybe place high enough to win something. Maybe even win the entry fee back and break even. Hopefully there aren't any amateurs regularly going in to tournaments with the expectation they will make a huge profit. That's just not realistic.
This is exactly how I feel going into a tournament. I really enjoy the experience rather than worrying about winning anything and I love bowling against people that are supposed to be better than me because it makes me focus more. At that point who knows what will happen.
Definitely how I feel as well. On my best days I know I have a shot. In April I was leading our 8 gamer after the first 3, unfortunately Buttruff ran away with it in the middle with 840ish
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I could play with the best PBA guys on my best days when I was in my late 40s . still I am glad the USBC fields weren't loaded with tour pros.
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My take on this is if they want to build the sport; this is not the way to do it regardless of our personal feelings. Bowling on the same lanes as pros I am all for. But to be in the same division is just dumb. With inflated averages due to house shots; they should have a 220 and over division. There is no sensible reason a 180 bowler should be competing against a touring pro. A 180 bowler can still learn a lot from them without being in the same division.
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My take on this is if they want to build the sport; this is not the way to do it regardless of our personal feelings. Bowling on the same lanes as pros I am all for. But to be in the same division is just dumb. With inflated averages due to house shots; they should have a 220 and over division. There is no sensible reason a 180 bowler should be competing against a touring pro. A 180 bowler can still learn a lot from them without being in the same division.
Exactly my thoughts, just stated more succinctly. All the current system is doing is discouraging the 180 to 215/220 average house bowler from attending the Open.
I know this from experience as someone who takes multiple teams to the Open every year. It's easy to get(and keep) the lower average bowlers in the group, but the 180+(sport converted) guys mostly want nothing to do with the Open, especially if they have been before.
There is value in having the top Professional and Amateurs at the Open, just give them their own division.