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Bowling with the Pros
« on: May 27, 2022, 07:34:31 PM »
I see a few people piss and moan about bowling against Pros at the Open, my question is why bitch? Are they mad about losing another spot or two? 99% don't have a chance of making decent money in the first place. Why not give it a go? Try to beat that guy or at least learn from what they are doing.

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Re: Bowling with the Pros
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2022, 08:03:33 PM »
Amateur tournaments should be for amateurs.  I already know the PBA pros are better than me; I don't need to compete against them in a tournament to know this.

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Re: Bowling with the Pros
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2022, 08:57:46 PM »
I guess I should reply as I have done my share of bitch8ng about this. I don't mind the pro's bowling , but when that sorry ass piece of shit Chad Murphy tried to tell us that a 176 average bowler should have to bowl against the pros, collegiate, and amateurs who are for all intents and purposes professional and average well over 200 on sport conditions, then screw him. Chad Murphy ic a sorry ass loser and needs to go. Not to mention, the PWBA bowlers are allowed to double dip with the Open and the Ladies tournament. No wonder we don't get better participation.
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Re: Bowling with the Pros
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2022, 09:18:15 PM »
I'll compete against anyone, at any time, in any Center, on any pattern. However, when you have to shell out that much money for travel, dining, entry, shipping, and everything else, it's really hard to justify. I love competition, but let's face it, someone with a PBA card that bowls as often as they practice and compete on patterns, is going to be able to beat my best day with their mediocre day 90% of the time.

The USBC needs to go back to placing them in their own division like they used to be. And it's not crying about having to bowl with touring players. I don't want to bowl against people getting 70 pins a game handicap either.

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Re: Bowling with the Pros
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2022, 09:38:29 PM »
Amateur tournaments should be for amateurs.  I already know the PBA pros are better than me; I don't need to compete against them in a tournament to know this.


So when you bowl leagues against a group of good bowlers do you get a sub for yourself because you can't win?
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Re: Bowling with the Pros
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2022, 10:45:27 PM »
I don’t think the USBC Open Championships is a mandatory tournament for members. If you do not like the rules do not bowl. If enough lesser players like yourself stop going maybe they will come up with a HDC version for you.

I don't know who that supposed to be aimed at but I have no issues bowling against Pros or anyone else for that matter.
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Re: Bowling with the Pros
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2022, 10:51:35 PM »
I don’t think the USBC Open Championships is a mandatory tournament for members. If you do not like the rules do not bowl. If enough lesser players like yourself stop going maybe they will come up with a HDC version for you.

I don't know who that supposed to be aimed at but I have no issues bowling against Pros or anyone else for that matter.
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Re: Bowling with the Pros
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2022, 11:04:39 PM »
Amateur tournaments should be for amateurs.  I already know the PBA pros are better than me; I don't need to compete against them in a tournament to know this.


The top amateurs are also better than you. Should they not be allowed to bowl?
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Re: Bowling with the Pros
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2022, 09:05:47 AM »
Personal opinion only....regardless of pro or amateur status, the prospect of having someone who averages 176 competing against a top level bowler is tough/almost impossible.

Problem is if you were to make a new cutoff instead of 175, what is the magic number for the new average cutoff? If you make it 195, we would have the same argument that someone who averages 196 can't compete against these guys (Pros and top level amateurs) either. Because they can't, at least 99% of them unless someone has a magical couple of days. 

Bottom line is unless USBC creates a Pro/top amateur only division, this argument will always occur. I am in NO WAY advocating for such a division.


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Re: Bowling with the Pros
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2022, 12:45:45 PM »
As others have said, if you don't like the rules don't bowl in the tournament.

I bowled in a local house shot doubles no-tap tournament a few years ago.  A couple of regional PBA players came in and shot 1790 and won.  That was the last time I bowled in that tournament as I don't think that PBA players should be beating up on non-professional bowlers in a no-tap on a house shot.

A family member bowled in a state tournament last weekend.  Rules stated that teams could have no more than 2 PWBA members, and doubles could consist of only 1 PWBA member.  Seems like a reasonable rule.  No one that placed in the top 10 was a professional.

I think professionals should have their own tournaments, and amateurs should have their own.  If an amateur wants to bowl in a professional event, they can join the PBA, pay the membership fee, and give it a run.  If a pro reaches the point where they no longer want to bowl in pro events, they can cancel their pro membership and get back into amatuer events (after some sort of required waiting period.)


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Re: Bowling with the Pros
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2022, 01:22:00 PM »
Fir many years the pros had their own classic division at nationals.  It was far from perfect but way better than today's set up. 

I do always remember what a team mate told me the first time we bowled nationals back in the 70s.  He said you will be shocked how many great players are not pros and how many mediocre players are PBA members.

The truth is that most regular division entrants had no mire chance back then than the do today but at least they didn't have to go against top tier pros who are on TV every week. 
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Re: Bowling with the Pros
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2022, 03:36:31 PM »
Arkansas? Now that's funny.  ::)
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Re: Bowling with the Pros
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2022, 04:27:03 PM »
Most are going to donate at Nationals against pros or top amateurs when seeing those kinds of conditions. They bowl on 2:1 regularly not once a year at a tournament. Most don't understand they need two teams working together to score. It's not setup for most bowlers to succeed. That's why so many go out there to make $$$$$ off the donators.

I don't blame anyone for not wanting to spend that kind of money to go bowl that tournament. It doesn't make sense for many who go.

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Re: Bowling with the Pros
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2022, 04:34:23 PM »
I do always remember what a team mate told me the first time we bowled nationals back in the 70s.  He said you will be shocked how many great players are not or is and how many mediocre players are PBA members.


This is still true today. There are many good amateur bowlers who are not PBA members. I know a few people who are actually PBA members (as a status symbol/think they're better than they are) and have no shot in our local 8 gamers ran on challenge or sport.

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Re: Bowling with the Pros
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2022, 06:59:55 PM »
Only takes a 200 average at the easiest house around to be a PBA member. Seems like that should be tightened a bit.
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