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MegaMav

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BowlingWiki Featured Article: CG
« on: August 03, 2007, 03:37:13 PM »
Visit the following page, we all as a bowling community can define CG, lets make a definition page to refer everyone to in the future.

Discussions stay on the discussion tab.
Definitions and facts in the article section.

http://www.bowlingwiki.net/wiki/index.php/Center_of_Gravity
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Re: BowlingWiki Featured Article: CG
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2007, 09:52:57 AM »
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Visit the following page, we all as a bowling community can define CG, lets make a definition page to refer everyone to in the future.

Discussions stay on the discussion tab.
Definitions and facts in the article section.

http://www.bowlingwiki.net/wiki/index.php/Center_of_Gravity
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there is a pin, a cg, and a mb { on most balls }

do i think the pin placement and mb placement may be more important?  yes.

do i think the cg  is not important?  no.

end of story.


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Re: BowlingWiki Featured Article: CG
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2007, 10:53:13 AM »
Now is your chance to define the most controversial topic on BallReviews.
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Re: BowlingWiki Featured Article: CG
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2007, 11:05:58 AM »
It's been said that "a zebra is a horse designed by committee".

It will be fun to see how hacked/mutilated a consensus level CG definition will end up being.
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Re: BowlingWiki Featured Article: CG
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2007, 11:26:01 AM »
this is all nonesense.

you take a ball,  you lay it out,  based on the pin to the pap,  and the mb placement you desire.

they you take said ball and drill it.

then you balance it.

now what is the big deal.

this is not rocket science.

does she or dosent she???

who cares!!!!

lay the ball out,  drill it,  balance it,  and move on.

ps

in two years from this date.  good chance the black widow pearl and the nvs and the fury pearl will be old and reduced to $45

get ready to place your order!!!

and then you can come on and brag that you bought a two year old ball for $45.

now there is nothing wrong with using a two year old ball!!!!!!

but when you post how you just got a wonderful deal online for $45,  and it turns out to be a 2 year old model.

your blowing smoke.

try going out right now and buying a new 2007 highend ball for $45.

and get back to us.

oh ya,  that will be in 2 years.




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Re: BowlingWiki Featured Article: CG
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2007, 11:38:39 AM »
The true definition of center of gravity:

The center of gravity of a bowling ball is the point on the surface where, if the ball is split exactly in half in any direction through that point, the two resultant halves will weigh the same.

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Re: BowlingWiki Featured Article: CG
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2007, 12:09:14 PM »
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I'm not going to go to the trouble of registering to post this on the site.  If anyone wants to, feel free.  --  JohnP


Because it takes a whole 2 minutes to do so?

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Re: BowlingWiki Featured Article: CG
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2007, 12:26:58 PM »
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The true definition of center of gravity:

The center of gravity of a bowling ball is the point on the surface where, if the ball is split exactly in half in any direction through that point, the two resultant halves will weigh the same.

I'm not going to go to the trouble of registering to post this on the site.  If anyone wants to, feel free.  --  JohnP



I DON'T THINK SO SIR

once at a seminar,  brunswick did just what you said.  they took a ball and cut it in half and said it weighed 14 lbs.  
they they asked,  how much does each side weigh,  everyone answered 7 lbs.
not me,

WRONG>>> one side was 10 lbs. and the other was 4 lbs.

the cg is used to measure the side or finger or top weight.

but i do not believe a ball that is 14 lbs. split in two will be an even 7 lbs.

the side weight and finger weight will be at zero on the cg.

not the gross weight.

NOTE
and that was mr. Ron eEdwards of brunswick who did this little test.

not something i made up.
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Re: BowlingWiki Featured Article: CG
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2007, 08:51:14 PM »
I've included more buttons on the edit page so its easier to add to the article.
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Re: BowlingWiki Featured Article: CG
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2007, 12:09:59 AM »
waiting for CGMADDAH to add their points...
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Re: BowlingWiki Featured Article: CG
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2007, 11:59:59 AM »
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waiting for CGMADDAH to add their points...


Cut and paste the ball motion differences documented in the USBC study, and you're good to go.....
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Re: BowlingWiki Featured Article: CG
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2007, 12:32:25 PM »
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Cut and paste the ball motion differences documented in the USBC study, and you're good to go.....


You're such a smary guy, you can contribute.
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Re: BowlingWiki Featured Article: CG
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2007, 01:16:48 PM »
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It is apparent all 'he' can do is beat a dead horse to death. That is his contribution.


Hey Ric, you seem to be turning into a stalker. That's behavior unbecoming of a MAJOR orb rep.

Mav asked for input on CGMADDAH, and I gave a suggestion given that he's not getting individual contributions, so what's what's your beef?

If the horse is dead, it's only in your own mind. When your most brilliant observation is that the Brunswick tests apply to everything, but the USBC tests apply only to Columbia (because you don't like the results), of course you want to bury the horse 10 feet under.

But the horse is alive, kicking and romping around. Get over it.


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Re: BowlingWiki Featured Article: CG
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2007, 01:23:29 PM »
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Mav asked for input on CGMADDAH, and I gave a suggestion given that he's not getting individual contributions.


You're not helping with your "cut and paste" suggestion either.
Its not hard to put facts to paper.

Try it on the wiki, its not difficult at all, the tools you need are in the toolbar on the edit page.

Sign up for an account, which takes a total of 45 seconds, throw in facts about the CGMADDAH stance, after all you seem to be the loudest voice of them all.

Lets make a reference page for all, the next time this subject comes up, we'll have a page to point to, and a historical reference on the topic.

Or would you rather just regurgitate everything time after time?
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Re: BowlingWiki Featured Article: CG
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2007, 03:09:41 PM »
Rick: It's always a pleasure to converse with you.

I too have never felt that CG is an major concern in setting up a ball. Based on what I'm trying to achieve, I'll look at cover, pin position, and pin to CG length before I get too worried about CG position. I do believe it has some influence, but again, not the first thing I look at.

I am not a trained ball driller, nor have I ever pretended to be. However, I'm a 230+ THS hack (better than some, not as good as others) who has owned and used 100+ balls over the past ten years. Those balls cover the full spectrum of heavy particle to plastic across every major ball line, and I've employed every variation of drill (including the famed RICO) I could practically try out. In doing all of that you tend to see roll patterns that are consistent with different types of drills.

Through all of that experience, I have seen noticeable roll differences (although minor) with different CG positions. I understand it's up to each individual to determine if that 'difference' has any significance to their respective games.

Where my issue has been with you is the arrogance with which you join conversations, throwing around your MAJOR representative status like used Kleenex. Anytime a conversation starts to sully anything that's Brunswick, you jump in with a heavy hand and try to kill it.

But it's all understandable. As a MAJOR company product specialist (as you constantly remind us), your job is to always represent Brunswick in the best possible light. That means if your company has presented information that is either conflicting, poorly delivered or possibly inaccurate, you do damage control instead of having an honest conversation. That's been clear in much of your interaction. You have to, because if you don't, they'll replace you with someone who will. That goes with the territory of being BrunsRicOH, Brunswick employee. I get that because I too work for a major company, and my job is to support their stated positions weather I agree with them or not. If you take the check you do their bidding -- it's that simple.

Happy stalking, and have a good rest of the weekend.

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