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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: HamPster on December 09, 2004, 07:04:21 AM

Title: BR Owners
Post by: HamPster on December 09, 2004, 07:04:21 AM
You guys suck, it's very obvious you care nothing for the site or what's going on.  It's a very apparent unanimous opinion that Wicked in his many incarnations is a parasite and needs to be dealt with.  This has not been done, and the users have been ignored.  The crap is not worth wading through, I've found a better site elsewhere.  REMOVE MY ACCOUNT (yeah, we'll see how long that takes, if you even pay attention to anything), I won't be back.
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Hey, I am NOT Michael Jackson.  I like little GIRLS, not little boys . .

Rock on kitty.
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: Hamburglar on December 09, 2004, 07:08:44 PM
Hampster...
Quite complaining about him and do yourself a favor..
See that little red X located below and to the right of your name?  That is the "IGNORE" button.  When "Wicked" makes a post, click that little red X, and it will remove ALL of his posts from your view.  That way you won't have to read/worry about any of his posts!
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That which doesn't kill you will only make you stronger, that which doesn't make you stronger is a waste of time!
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: a_ak57 on December 09, 2004, 07:29:10 PM
Well VT the point is we shouldn't have to.  This site is very poorly taken care of.

And if i'm banned, so be it.
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- Andy


"Leaders are made, they are not born.  They are made with hard effort, which is the price which all of us must pay in order to achieve anything that is worthwile."
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: HamPster on December 09, 2004, 07:31:03 PM
. . I'm still here.  Shocker.  It's not just Wicked, it's the reflection of their poor management skills that he's revealed.  They pay attention to nothing.  This other site I'm at has the feel that BR had back when Scott owned it.  You know, the owner posts and pays attention to the members.
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Hey, I am NOT Michael Jackson.  I like little GIRLS, not little boys . .

Rock on kitty.
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: HamPster on December 09, 2004, 07:34:16 PM
Lol, good luck with that one.  I'm TRYING to get my account removed, and so far nothing's happening.  

quote:
And if i'm banned, so be it.
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- Andy


"Leaders are made, they are b][/not born.  They are made with hard effort, which is the price which all of us must pay in order to achieve anything that is worthwile."

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Hey, I am NOT Michael Jackson.  I like little GIRLS, not little boys . .

Rock on kitty.
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: Ernie McCracken on December 09, 2004, 08:02:33 PM
I like how Wicked can stay around and nothing is done about that but we have a bad word filter on the site.  That cracks me up.
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Evolutionary.  Revolutionary.
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: DanH78 on December 09, 2004, 09:41:10 PM
If this site sucks so much, then why are you here?  

Boo Hoo, the site I use for free has trolls that I HAVE  to respond to, why oh why won't they go away????


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The clock on the wall says 3 O'Clock...last call...for Alcohol!
"I love a martini -- but two at the most. Three I’m under the table; Four, I’m under the host."  Dorothy Parker
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: a_ak57 on December 09, 2004, 10:40:12 PM
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If this site sucks so much, then why are you here?  

Boo Hoo, the site I use for free has trolls that I HAVE  to respond to, why oh why won't they go away????


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The clock on the wall says 3 O'Clock...last call...for Alcohol!
"I love a martini -- but two at the most. Three I’m under the table; Four, I’m under the host."  Dorothy Parker

Uh who are you talking to?  Hampster IS leaving, and I don't respond to wicked's posts, i could care less.  I think the site has gone downhill as a whole, as has been discussed for months.
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- Andy


"Leaders are made, they are not born.  They are made with hard effort, which is the price which all of us must pay in order to achieve anything that is worthwile."
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: HamPster on December 10, 2004, 06:06:31 AM
Dan, go to hell, it's obvious you're not paying attention.  I don't respond to the trolls, and the same as Lefty said, I've learned a TON from this site, and it hacks me off that the new owners are letting it slide down the tubes.  Somebody could sneak a virus into the BR servers and the owners would probably be happy.  I was more or less trying to prove a point.  My account hasn't been removed, like I knew it wouldn't, and I'll probably still post occasionally, but the fact remains that they don't pay attention so if something ever really goes wrong with the site, I guarantee that the problem will be ignored.
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Hey, I am NOT Michael Jackson.  I like little GIRLS, not little boys . .

Rock on kitty.
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: MonkeyBoy on December 10, 2004, 06:16:36 AM
I think they're taking a 'fredom of speech' approach.

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MonkeyBoy
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: a_ak57 on December 10, 2004, 07:22:27 AM
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I think they're taking a 'fredom of speech' approach.

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MonkeyBoy

Well then they can at least get rid of the filter, so it's TRUE freedom of speech.
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- Andy


"Leaders are made, they are not born.  They are made with hard effort, which is the price which all of us must pay in order to achieve anything that is worthwile."
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: DanH78 on December 10, 2004, 09:43:06 AM
Andy, I was referring to all the people who constantly talk about how the site sucks.  If someone doesn't like it there are thousands of other sites out there.  I was also referring to the dozens of members of this site that DO respond to the trolls.  The whole reason those guys post is to irritate people and get a reaction.  If there is no reaction, they will get bored and find someplace else to muck up.  And if you read the Hampsters reply to me, you see that he ISN'T leaving.

Hampster, very nice response, very mature of you, I shall take your advice in to consideration, but I don't think I shall be going to hell anytime soon.  I stand by my statement, if you think the place sucks, and you have found a "better site" then please go there.  Why should the owner remove your account?  I'm sure that this site is ALL he has to do and is his sole source of income, so he should do nothing but monitor the site to make sure it is up to your standards.  You pay nothing so if you want your account gone, stop coming here.      

Some of us are capable of figuring out in about 2 seconds what is worth reading and what is not, and still feel that the site has enough to offer to more than offset the few idiots that have nothing better to do than annoy others.
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The clock on the wall says 3 O'Clock...last call...for Alcohol!
"I love a martini -- but two at the most. Three I’m under the table; Four, I’m under the host."  Dorothy Parker
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: a_ak57 on December 10, 2004, 09:47:22 AM
So basically that means they don't even look at the site?  That's f-ed up.  I think they could at least come ONCE a week and obviously see what should be deleted.  Having us send them links to stupid posts would just cram their inbox, anyways.

As long as bowling info is here, I'm staying.  But, if all the knowledgeable people leave, i'm out too.
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- Andy


"Leaders are made, they are not born.  They are made with hard effort, which is the price which all of us must pay in order to achieve anything that is worthwile."
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: hookem on December 10, 2004, 09:56:47 AM
What a response from the the "BR MAN"  That's actually sad.  I'm sure they are busy people but if they don't want to spend the time to clean up the site and make it better then they should sell it.  Or better yet (and I know I don't know the details of who owns it) they should have never bought it or created it if they didn't want to put forth the effort of making it the best site possible.  It needs some administration, minor admin, but admin nonetheless because when there is no-one over seeing what gets posted and no-one to delete then we get people like Wicked or whatever the Heck other 10,000 names he has.  Just sad.
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: bamaster on December 10, 2004, 02:12:50 PM
I sent an e-mail to the address inquiring about buying the forums only.

I'm sure they'd ask for 5-digits, more than it's worth to me.  But still, I never heard back from them.  It seems they don't want to sell it or improve it.  I know a few bowling centers like that.  They have all turned into DUMPS!

Oh well.  I guess I'll have to just keep on going with my site until it's the 800lb-gorilla that I know it will be one day.  Less than two years ago it had zero member and zero hits.  Today I'm over 1000 users and just under 2 million hits a month.  Not bad for a messkin, huh?!

hehehe

By the way, I will be launching a Ball Reviews feature to the site over the weekend.  Stay tuned for that!

Peace!

Tony
http://www.allBowling.com

Edited on 12/10/2004 3:04 PM
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: jjweb on December 10, 2004, 02:12:53 PM
My site will be in beta test soon! I will also post some screenshots of the site (holiday skin).
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The bowling gods said "let there be strikes" and then there was Dyno-Thane!
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: HamPster on December 10, 2004, 03:30:34 PM
Gee, that really sucks, cause I wasn't TRYING to be mature.  I tried being the quiet one that never ruffled anybody's feathers, but I'm gonna be a jerk on this one.  You said ignore the troll or go somewhere else.  What about people who just find this site for the first time and see all the junk on here?  If posts named "I want to have sex with chucksta with bowling pins up his ass" are up there, don't you think that's a deterrent to the growth of this site?  It doesn't sound to me like you have the interest of this site in mind.  Yeah, it's free, that's nice.  Do you want it to remain free?  Do you want it to progress?  Not everybody is going to ignore the trolls, some newbie or general idiot is going to keep feeding them no matter what you say.  BR has sponsors too, do you think that's good advertising for newbies?  Maybe I'll send bowling.com an email to show them what they're getting for their sponsorship.
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Hey, I am NOT Michael Jackson.  I like little GIRLS, not little boys . .

Rock on kitty.
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: Ragnar on December 10, 2004, 03:41:24 PM
As some will attest I'm very creative when it comes to getting around the language filter here.  I've been tempted to do so and write a long diatribe, being as foul and offensive as I can (and for those who've been watching, you ain't seen nothin' yet), but it's really pointless; when the tree falls in the forest and no one is there, it makes no noise.
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"A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal." Oscar Wilde
Ragnar sure likes to throw his purdy Uranium Buzzsaw.
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: janderson on December 10, 2004, 03:53:23 PM
Hampster - Just wondering what constructive criticism you've personally offerred for improving the site?  Have you ever run such a site?

Whoever said the people who post here make the site what it is.  You can never completely stop trolls (witness the life and continued success of spam eMail) and troll-like behavior, regardless of the site.

Why not take the best the site has to offer from the quality people here and ignore the BS and trolls?
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Kill the back row (or maybe this should read "make your spares, dummy")

On Edit - Sorry, the first version sounded insulting on review and it wasn't meant to be.

Edited on 12/10/2004 4:57 PM
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: DanH78 on December 10, 2004, 03:57:33 PM
If someone isn't able to take 2 minutes to look past the "I'm gonna have sex with..." type posts, then they're probably not intelligent enough to contribute something meaningful.

I don't really care if the site remains free or not.  BR may be the current "800lb gorrilla" (phrase stolen from Tony), but it is not the end all be all of bowling web sites.  Every website/product has lifespan.  When that lifespan has reached it's end, a new product will step into it's place.  Should this site become unprofitable and the owner closes it down, I already know which sites the majority of the users will flock to, and that is where I will follow.  

If you (and by you I am referring to the BR population that insists on posting how the site sucks) think the site sucks so much, either leave, or do something about it.  Complaining is not doing something.  If you want to do something try posting intelligent and informative posts and ignore the morons.  The webmaster even responded asking that the users please email them links to offensive posts to make it easier for them to clean the site, but that's not good enough, you need the webmaster to do everything for you. (waiting to hear that the Webmaster does "nothing")
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The clock on the wall says 3 O'Clock...last call...for Alcohol!
"I love a martini -- but two at the most. Three I’m under the table; Four, I’m under the host."  Dorothy Parker
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: Ragnar on December 10, 2004, 04:05:47 PM
DanH78 (or others), here's something I don't understand; I emailed the owner about Wicked 290.  He replied with the standard message about sending him links (his job, not mine, be that as it may).  Eventually Wicked290's posts were deleted.  BUT, W290 is now posting again and  (judging by the date of his sign on here) was NEVER removed from the site.  I find this puzzling.  A troll, agreed upon by all to be disruptive, with posts deleted, but still left on the site.  And, when said troll starts posting the same drivel, left alone.  If I am to act as a moderator (and I'm not) then I should not have to go the the owner to get a user banned or even posts deleted.  You will note that I've complained very little about the site itself.  My main complaint is that the owner is doing very little to maintain the site's integrity.  Will I leave? Very doubtful, but I'd like to see a little more involvement my management.
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"A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal." Oscar Wilde
Ragnar sure likes to throw his purdy Uranium Buzzsaw.
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: DanH78 on December 10, 2004, 04:12:46 PM
Rags, I pretty much agree with what you're saying.  Not knowing what other ventures the owners of this site are involved in, I can't comment on how they do their job.  Yes it would be nice if they were more involved, but currently, that's not gonna happen.  In the end, you get what you pay for.  Until things change one way or the other, the only thing we can do is ignore the idiots, and post enough good topics that the troll topics aren't that visible to the casual lurker.

Complaining about how much the site sucks will do nothing, this much I'm sure of.
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The clock on the wall says 3 O'Clock...last call...for Alcohol!
"I love a martini -- but two at the most. Three I’m under the table; Four, I’m under the host."  Dorothy Parker
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: HamPster on December 11, 2004, 09:56:40 AM
What kind of politically correct bs "constructive criticism" do they need?  There's an idiot here clogging up traffic, and we want him removed.  I'm complaining because the "constructive criticism" has so far been ignored.  You have kids?  How many times does asking nicely actually get them to do something?  As far as wading through the crap, first impressions mean a lot, and if people can find the same information somewhere else without bothering with the trolls, what will keep them from doing that?  If I found a new site to me that had this problem, I wouldn't be there long.  And AGAIN, need I repeat myself a third or fourth time, I'm TRYING to be annoying and make some noise.  If you ever worked any kind of customer service and someone had a problem with a product, and you told them they should just work through the problems so they could see the real value, they'd look at you like you had a hole in your head.  If this site turns people off, it turns them off to the sponsors as well.
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Hey, I am NOT Michael Jackson.  I like little GIRLS, not little boys . .

Rock on kitty.
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: janderson on December 11, 2004, 10:05:49 AM
Well, Hampster, since you put it THAT way, I guess anyone who uses the web should just avoid all message boards because the trolls will obviously scare them away.

There is not a politically correct bone in my body.  Is calling you names going to convince you of that.  No, didn't think so.  That would be about effective as what you're trying to accomplish with this post.

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Kill the back row (or maybe this should read "make your spares, dummy")
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: a_ak57 on December 11, 2004, 11:57:19 AM
It's a little extreme, but this is about as organized a forum as you'll EVER find.  www.pbreview.com

(no, not about bowling, but just compare the forum compared to here.)
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- Andy


"Leaders are made, they are not born.  They are made with hard effort, which is the price which all of us must pay in order to achieve anything that is worthwile."
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: scotts33 on December 11, 2004, 12:02:46 PM
For golf nuts www.freegolfinfo.com is about the best moderated forum out there.  Like Tony's sites it is moderated by the owner/webmaster.

Scott
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: HamPster on December 11, 2004, 01:28:03 PM
Actually there are no trolls at the site I moved to, the owner is very involved with the site, and it's just a plain higher class site.
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Hey, I am NOT Michael Jackson.  I like little GIRLS, not little boys . .

Rock on kitty.
Title: Re: BR Owners
Post by: 60buck on December 12, 2004, 01:34:34 PM
i totally disagree. this site is awesome. understand that its not easy for many people(including myself)to carry on a real bowling conversation. there aren't a whole lotta people that are good. too many people think they are good. i personally don't care about wicked. its stupid. most everything he puts up is stupid, but hey, there are stupid people out there. don't deal with it. its a very simple solution. i won't be going anywhere anytime soon. its a nice place to read posts, get other people's overviews of a lot of stuff and gain more knowledge of this game. many people here are very knowledgable to this game and lets not 4get that