Author Topic: Broad Opinion Question Regarding THS Scores (Read 3546 times)

Good Times Good Times · « **on:** January 10, 2012, 02:13:13 AM »

Broad question for all:

Based on the "standard THS" YOU see night in and night out in your area:

What would you consider a respectable THS high average?

What would you say a "good set" is for that night on your THS?

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milorafferty · « **Reply #1 on:** January 10, 2012, 10:20:21 AM »

In one of the houses I bowl, 230+ is where the best bowlers average. In a second house I bowl, the high averages are only around 215 or so.

So in the first house, 800 is a good night and the second, anything in the mid 700's is a very good series.

Steven · « **Reply #2 on:** January 10, 2012, 10:27:29 AM »

Considering the high range is somewhat subjective, but 225+ would be the starting point. I say this because above 225, the pack starts to thin out quickly. I believe the high in our house right now is 242.

A 'good' set would start at about 720. Below that, you're not going to be sniffing much in brackets and side pots.

Russell · « **Reply #3 on:** January 10, 2012, 10:53:47 AM »

Yeah it's hard to say, where my shop is the high average in the house is around 220, as there is very little hold to the middle. Down the road at a the local Brunswick Strike-in-a-box center there are 10 people well over 230 and honor scores are shot nightly. My house has had about 10 honor scores in 18 months or so.

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ksucat · « **Reply #4 on:** January 10, 2012, 11:10:15 AM »

220 around here is still rare enough to get noticed. Many different ways to get there though. Could be you are a good spare shooter who puts together a few strikes, but doesn't give away much. Or could be you get tons of strikes in bunches, but.........may miss a spare or 5 some games.

Good set is above 750 to me.

storm making it rain · « **Reply #5 on:** January 10, 2012, 11:22:46 AM »

the center's i bowl in go this way:

#1 - (2 leagues) about 5 guys over 230 (high of 245) and then there's a pretty good drop-off.

#2 - different center (alot of good area bowlers) but the averages are quite a bit lower with the high of 234 and only 2 others at 230. It's tough to get 3 good games together with the way the lanes transition.

My personal opinion is that 230 is the average which is good these days (this being based on THS conditions)

Smash49 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 10, 2012, 11:46:16 AM »

That is the problem with this sport THS average. One center I bowl at if you average 200 you are a beast. There is another center 10 minutes away that has a 300 just about every other day and another that has some times 3 a night. So If I told you that I averaged 198 that may not seem impressive but when you have 6 guys that average over 200 in the entire center and 215 is the high average how do you compare centers. Here in the Dallas area all you have to say is I average 198 at Irving.

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BTW the Bowling News honor roll high set for Irving was 619 last week the next closest center was Bowl a rama at 714!

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MrPerfect · « **Reply #7 on:** January 10, 2012, 12:02:00 PM »

Honestly, in our area since we have so many centers it would be center specific. I know that I bowl in one of the tougher centers in the area and the high average in on the THS never tops out over 225, and only of a handful of bowlers average over 220 and the center has a full house every night.

For me a good average is anything 220 and above and a series over 715.

We have one center in the area where that number would be 235 and at a minimum 760.

MrPerfect · « **Reply #8 on:** January 10, 2012, 12:04:16 PM »

Smash49 wrote on 1/10/2012 12:46 PM:
That is the problem with this sport THS average. One center I bowl at if you average 200 you are a beast. There is another center 10 minutes away that has a 300 just about every other day and another that has some times 3 a night. So If I told you that I averaged 198 that may not seem impressive but when you have 6 guys that average over 200 in the entire center and 215 is the high average how do you compare centers. Here in the Dallas area all you have to say is I average 198 at Irving.

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BTW the Bowling News honor roll high set for Irving was 619 last week the next closest center was Bowl a rama at 714!

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For me I use bowlers who bowl in each center as a barometer. We have a fair number of bowlers that bowl in almost all of the centers in town, and with them being South Region PBA bowlers they are a fairly good measure of the ease of the pattern out there.

islenmetfan4life · « **Reply #9 on:** January 10, 2012, 12:08:29 PM »

The house I bowl at has a few guys over 250, plenty more 240+ ... they had 41 honor scores in december... walled? I'd say so. That's not a "standard ths" or a standard house though lol.

Smash49 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 10, 2012, 08:43:32 PM »

I guess the point is how can there be a respectable house shot average. If you have 10 or 20 guys averaging over 240 the shot is stupidly easy. If you have very few averaging above 200 there is a problem. I actually do not bowl very much anymore due to time. I shot 3 games in the month of June. 1 game a day. 267,242,279. After each game I put the balls back in the bag and rolled them into the office. No practice, no stretching, no warm up. 788 and average 262 like that is crazy. Our mechanic shots 3 300's in 4 days and the day he didn't he shot 279. He called me out of the office and said I am going to shoot 300. He posted the game on Youtube. Personally THS is not the answer and neither are sport shots. If you want to know the answer it's got to be house specific and even in some house it's not even respectable.

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completebowler · « **Reply #11 on:** January 11, 2012, 09:08:29 AM »

I'm at 237 and 232 in my two leagues. I didn't even realize it until a customer pointed it out while looking at one of my league sheets a couple weeks ago. That is crazy. I know I'm a good bowler, I know I am pretty versatile and I have a great selection of equipment.

But averaging 230's and above has become way too easy these days. As I say, I didn't even know it because I haven't felt like I have thrown the ball great.

Oh well. What can we do?

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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #12 on:** January 11, 2012, 09:19:13 AM »

In the league division I corrently play you have to have a 190 average to be competitive - most of the time we play on THS or high scoring conditions, but this includes ever-changing and mostly "foreign" houses you normally have no training or experience at.

"Respectable" is a very subjective measure - I know of local tournaments which required a 230+ average to make it to the finals, so everything is relative.

A "good" set is also hard to define ona THS - but I'd call it one when the result differential is not that big, say a 200-190-180 instead of a 250-130-190.

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MrPerfect · « **Reply #13 on:** January 11, 2012, 11:28:00 AM »

dizzyfugu wrote on 1/11/2012 10:19 AM:
In the league division I corrently play you have to have a 190 average to be competitive - most of the time we play on THS or high scoring conditions, but this includes ever-changing and mostly "foreign" houses you normally have no training or experience at.

"Respectable" is a very subjective measure - I know of local tournaments which required a 230+ average to make it to the finals, so everything is relative.

A "good" set is also hard to define ona THS - but I'd call it one when the result differential is not that big, say a 200-190-180 instead of a 250-130-190.

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Dizzy, that is a great point about the average differential. I think the ability to shoot really big stores to erase the inconsistency on the lanes when they are harder is probably one of the top factors the increase we see in the THS average. The number of times I've seen a 220+ average bowler go: 168, 215, 279 is crazy.

dizzyfugu · « **Reply #14 on:** January 12, 2012, 12:46:15 AM »

Yup. I'd always look at the series whick makes the THS average, because that's what the THS is about: offering a wide range for errors, which supports one-trick-players. But when the lanes change, even a THS can become challenging, and hence you often see such wide result "leaps". That's actually the hard point in my league: at this level, all players are more or less competitive, a 190 can be expected. But the THS promotes those "one game wonders", which can entirely kill your team result when you have one player who suddenly unbags a 260+, and you are not lucky enough to have a counterpart player at hand... It's IMHO more about luck than true bowling. Only in the rare occasions when the lanes are flooded, true competition and the need to adjust one's game fundamentally you see true gaming skill - normally, it is shoot-out.

It evens out in the end, and conditions are equal for everyone, so I do not want to quibble. But I have big doubts when someone tells me that he or she has a 200+ average, and is not a known top-league player or amateur staffer.

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