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northface28

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Brunswick=No brackets/pots
« on: July 02, 2014, 10:10:49 PM »
So I was notified that Brunswick will not allow bracket or pots including strike pots to be run on their property beginning August 1st, anyone else hear this?
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Re: Brunswick=No brackets/pots
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2014, 10:38:52 PM »
I havent heard that. Very interesting
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Re: Brunswick=No brackets/pots
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2014, 11:04:29 PM »
Yeah, I bowl with an employee and he said its "liability issue/gambling".
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Re: Brunswick=No brackets/pots
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2014, 11:12:40 PM »
I believe it may go by what state you are in. That has been an issue in the past here in New Jersey. Not any more though.

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Re: Brunswick=No brackets/pots
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2014, 08:11:53 AM »
Can you (or someone designated in the league) just run them "underground" or "offline" w/o actual house involvement?  Seems, at least on the surface, like it would be easy to do.  I don't see how there could be much of a problem if the house OR whoever is running them isn't raking the game.     :-\
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Re: Brunswick=No brackets/pots
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2014, 08:35:54 AM »
Quote from: StrapperJohnMD on July 02, 2014, 11:12:40 PM
I believe it may go by what state you are in. That has been an issue in the past here in New Jersey. Not any more though.

A few years back, NJ forced centers to enforce no 50-50s; it was considered gambling. Now they seem to have the same basics, but the winner has to either hit the head pin, get 9 or get a strike depending on what their league decides.

There's a way around everything.
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Re: Brunswick=No brackets/pots
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2014, 08:43:43 AM »
Quote from: Good Times Good Times on July 03, 2014, 08:11:53 AM
Can you (or someone designated in the league) just run them "underground" or "offline" w/o actual house involvement?  Seems, at least on the surface, like it would be easy to do.  I don't see how there could be much of a problem if the house OR whoever is running them isn't raking the game.     :-\

In the centers in NJ where I have bowled, most times brackets & pots are not run by the centers, but by individuals. They make no secret of it, but it's not shouted from the rooftops.
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Re: Brunswick=No brackets/pots
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2014, 09:12:50 PM »
yes they consider it gambling and are accountable for it on their property. It should all be taxed and accounted for . Thousands of dollars go untaxed from brackets and pots.
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Re: Brunswick=No brackets/pots
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2014, 11:49:20 AM »
I'm sure it has to do with the Brunswick -> AMF merger purchase going on.
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Re: Brunswick=No brackets/pots
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2014, 12:32:34 PM »
Quote from: NHLfan88 on July 07, 2014, 11:49:20 AM
I'm sure it has to do with the Brunswick -> AMF merger purchase going on.

Theres a Brunswick/AMF merger?
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Re: Brunswick=No brackets/pots
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2014, 01:18:12 PM »
Quote from: northface28 on July 07, 2014, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: NHLfan88 on July 07, 2014, 11:49:20 AM
I'm sure it has to do with the Brunswick -> AMF merger purchase going on.

Theres a Brunswick/AMF merger?

There's been some rumors about this on Facebook.  I have yet to see a credible source with any info on it though.
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Re: Brunswick=No brackets/pots
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2014, 10:18:30 PM »
Pretty hard to call brackets gambling.  If so, then any tourney format with prize money is gambling.  Brackets are just an eliminator tournament with a blind draw for opponents. 

Only time I have ever seen this issue raised is with Calcuttas, where non participants are allowed to bid on the bowlers. 
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Re: Brunswick=No brackets/pots
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2014, 02:21:49 PM »
Brackets are gambling and your winnings are potentially taxable.  Thats the case at the USBC open championships
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Re: Brunswick=No brackets/pots
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2014, 02:34:04 PM »
I'm sorry (for lack of a better opening), but that is the weakest shit I've ever heard.  No brackets!?  WTF.  PLUS the house isn't even taking a rake.  Let me guess, if I have a home poker tournament (legal w/no rake) I'd have to report the winnings?  I don't see how a home poker game be legal but brackets not. 

Like I said, there HAS to be a way around it.  Take it underground and offline.
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Re: Brunswick=No brackets/pots
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2014, 02:45:12 PM »
Quote from: Brandon Riley on July 08, 2014, 02:21:49 PM
Brackets are gambling and your winnings are potentially taxable.  Thats the case at the USBC open championships

Yeah the USBC's kill me every year on the brackets.  I think the thing that bothers me is let's say I put in $1500 to play and I win $4500.  I get taxed on the $4500 and not the actual profit of $3000. 

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