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ClutchClay

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BT Natural Bowling Clinic Review
« on: February 02, 2004, 12:19:25 AM »
Sorry for the length, but there is lots of information to relay.

Day 1
First BT measures each bowler's pieces (i.e.: arm length, torso to legs ratio, etc.).  Then he asks that each person leave a ball for him to measure the grip specs.  Make sure that this ball is slugged or you don't mind it being slugged because he will most likely be sending you to the pro shop to change the thumb pitches.  Then BT talks about bowling.  Most of his lecture is stories from way back when with some bowling concepts mixed in here and there.  If you know the basics of his bowling philosophy and can do without the stories, then go to be measured and leave a ball and go.

Day 2
BT measures your hand and determines your what your grip specs should be.  If he is sure of the specs, he will send you to the pro shop to have the thumb drilled to match his specs.  If he is not sure and needs to see you throw the ball first, then you do not go to the pro shop until after he works with you on the lanes.
Move to the lanes where he takes one or two initial participants and coaches them with everyone standing right there so that everyone gets the basic concepts that he will cover with everyone.  After the initial couple of people, everyone splits up onto the available lanes and starts bowling.  BT then calls names down the list in order and works with each person individually.  Some people get A LOT of his time and others get very little.  I guess it depends on how far off your game is from his vision.

Day 3:
On the lanes again, BT walks around and works with people in what appears to be random selection.  If your thumbhole needs another adjustment, he will send you back to the pro shop to get the thumb slugged and drilled again.  Just as for day 2, some people get lots of time and others very little.  When your time with BT is done, you can continue to bowl until the squad is over and he may give you a little pointer here or there.

My experience:
Day 1 was interesting for the stories.  I did not really learn anything about bowling because I had already read quite a bit about his bowling philosophy.  In retrospect, I would have left after being measure and tried to bowl the last two games of my league.
Day 2 was frustrating because he decided he needed to see me throw the ball before recommending thumb pitch changes.  I was the second to last person on the list and after ten minutes with him he told me to go get my ball done.  However, the pro shop was closed so my day was over.
Day 3 was initially more of the same from day 2.  Squad 1 was scheduled for 10am-2pm but the pro shop did not open until 1:00pm.  So I had to use an old ball for three hours.  Not that it mattered because BT had his hands full with all the people who were there.  The big problem was that 22 people signed up for the class.  Those people were split up as 13 for squad 1 and 9 for squad 2.  That was great for Sat.  But on Sun, 17 people came for the squad 1 (presumably because they wanted to go watch the Super Bowl).  So I got no time with BT until about 2:00pm.  Needless to say, I was pretty pissed by that time.  Anyway, basically everyone had left and BT came to me and told me he had been saving me for last to have more time (that must mean I was a wreck).  He spent about an hour with me and recommended another thumb change about halfway through.  Of course, the pro shop was closed again, so I will have to do that later.  That kind of pissed me off too because then he could not see me throw the final drill and make sure it was what I needed.  He then said he had to take a break to eat but would work with me some more after eating.  Well, that never happened.  I stayed through the whole second squad.  The five guys who showed up each got lots of time with BT but he never came back to me.  After he finished with the last guy I asked if he would check that I was still doing things correctly.  He agreed.  Then David Ozio arrived for his session and BT's attention was fully directed to him.  So I packed my stuff, said a brief goodbye to BT and left about 8:30pm.  During our goodbye, he told me that he really can only efficiently handle 8 bowlers to a squad.  I did not say so but I thought that if that were the case, then it should have been limited to that number.
I have no idea how many games I bowled, but it was A LOT - about thirteen hours total with with anywhere from four guys on a pair to me alone.  BT did say during our goodbye that he sends a sheet to the participants with individual instructions for learning each piece and the order to learn them.

Summary:
Overall, I am a little unsatisfied with the whole experience.  Of course, the effect on my bowling remains to be seen but the re-training process will be difficult because of the drastic changes he gave me.  If I had to do it again, I would probably spend the money on individual sessions with a reputable local coach instead.  If they had placed a limit on the number of participants and there had been a semblance of coordination with the pro shop, then my experience would have been MUCH better.

I hope this review helps someone else decide where they will spend their coaching dollars.
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TheBowlingKid25

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Re: BT Natural Bowling Clinic Review
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2004, 03:26:38 PM »
Who is BT???
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ClutchClay

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Re: BT Natural Bowling Clinic Review
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2004, 03:38:19 PM »
BT = Bill Taylor
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LuckyLefty

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Re: BT Natural Bowling Clinic Review
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2004, 03:44:24 PM »
Pretty cool in a way.

I wish you would elaborate on concepts he gave you and some more on his general philosophy.

I also would be ticked that the center had not coordinated the number of bowlers, when the proshop would be open etc.

I know that when Del Warren and MoPinel, the meeting was coordinated by the proshop ( a good friend of mine and both of the guru's) and these guys all worked together to make it an incredible experience.  The pro stayed open for hours and hours getting everything done for at least one ball perfectly fitted and then he subsquently came in ALL Sunday and had balls ready for every person to mimic their new spans etc.  Quite a chore.

It seems that BT is not coordinating (and probably shouldn't be)and the person to be upset with is the person who arranged the session and did not arrange for the activities of the proshop.
My guess is that the proshop guy is an employee and the my guy is the OWNER.
An amazing difference in performance at times.

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Luckylefty
PS your experience sounds a little like mine once at KEGEL(yours was worse I think.).  I went with a group and we had one guys girlfriend along.  At the time she was more just going to keep an eye on him.  Not much of a bowler at the time.(she is now)  Me I was totally fired up and quite a hot item at the time with my bowling.  Well somehow the sight of her in her hotpants ended up giving her about 2 hours on video and me about 12 minutes.  I was fit to be tied!  The coaches were great but I wanted some time and was unwilling to wear MY hotpants!
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ClutchClay

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Re: BT Natural Bowling Clinic Review
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2004, 05:54:36 PM »
Damn!  I did not even think about wearing my hotpants!  

Seriously though, I would say that the class was evenly split between the people who were happy and not-so-happy.

I would agree that the coordination is not necessarily Bill's fault.  The bowl was pretty disorganized about the whole thing from the start.  In retrospect, maybe that should have steered me away.  But the desire to get coaching help from Bill was too hard to ignore.  Of my hour and fifteen minutes with Bill, I wish it had been half on Sat and the other half on Sun and that my ball had been done on Sat.  Those changes would have made a HUGE difference.

As for what he teaches, I do need to spend some time working today, so that will have to wait for later.  Actually LL, based on the content of your previous posts I would think that you would already know the basics.
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seadrive

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Re: BT Natural Bowling Clinic Review
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2004, 09:12:26 AM »
I attended a clinic a couple of years ago, where the instructor wanted to change the drilling on my wife's ball, but the pro shop was closed.  It seems no one ever thinks to coordinate with the pro shop.  Sometimes, you even wonder if the pro shop owner is aware that a clinic is being held.

But making fitting changes was not really part of that clinic, so I can't say it was a big deal.  In your case, it seems that it definitely was a big deal.  If everyone was expected to need his ball redrilled, it's inexcusable that the pro shop would close before the clinic ended for the day, or before they were notified by BT's assistant (I assume he had an assistant or two) that there was no more refitting to do.

Sounds like if you'd had your redrilling done on Saturday, the whole experience would have been much better for you.  Sorry to hear it didn't go that way.

I hope you take the time to email a copy of this to BT.  If he's interested in making the clinics as good as they can be, then he should be more interested in hearing criticism than praise.

One question: was it the same people who got the bulk of BT's time on both days, or did some people receive more one day, and others the next day?
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Edited on 2/3/2004 10:09 AM