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BTM ball reviews vs. ballreviews.com
« on: July 06, 2003, 10:31:18 PM »
When deciding to invest in the lastest ball of the month where do you go for help? Besides the two above is there any other place? Pro shop guy or some other magazine or website?

  I favor BTM over all the reviewers out here, (No offense to anyone in particular) for the simple reason of how they go about rating the ball on 3 conditions. I have bought two balls since getting the magazine from about December and have not been disappointed. By trying to figure out what styles and lane conditions you bowl on I have wasted more money than I would like to believe and will never listen to anyone out here about purchasing another ball because most of the reviews are not done in the before mentioned manner. (The wasting of money is not anyone's fault but my own.)
  After saying this I still like ballreviews just to read what bones is pondering or having us ponder. Also for some of the other topics. DON'T GET ME WRONG. THIS IS STILL A WONDERFUL WEBSITE even without taking the reviews seriously.

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Jeffrevs

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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2003, 01:37:08 PM »
Bowling Journal also has good reviews,...at least to me they do
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2003, 01:37:09 PM »
Ranting,

There are quite a few worthwhile reviewers on here.

Unfortunatly they seem to be the exception & not the norm.

Mind you, they get PAID to review balls at BTM & also dont have to buy their own bowling balls (not counting the staffer reivews which are usually worthless anyway).

Not only that, but they KNOW how the lane is oiled since more than likely they patterned it & they have the luxury of being able to change the pattern at will.

To try and compare a BTM review to a ballreviews.com is ridiculous.

Use ballreviews for what it's worth. A sampling of the average joe & how they feel about a ball.

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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2003, 01:43:39 PM »
Bjaardker,

  My point exactly..how they FEEL about a ball. Feelings have nothing to do with recommending a bowling ball or ditzing a bowling ball.

Jeffrevs,

  I agree Bowlers Journal is also a good source though more data is given in BTM.
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2003, 02:20:15 PM »
The only problem with some of the ball reviews on this site is that not all, but some of the reviewers are biased and partial towards certain companies, so you don't get a true and honest review on that particular ball or another company's (competitor's) ball.
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2003, 02:23:21 PM »
I use BR for general info re: balls and take the reviews for what they're worth. Most info thats pertinent usually comes from the Magazines.

I don't look at or take the reveiws on BR very seriously, for me, this site is primarily for learning about all portions of this crazy sport we love !
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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2003, 03:24:52 PM »
I typically don't give a whole TON of weight to the opinions posted when I'm looking at a new ball. I tend more often to look at the schematics of the ball, along with my game to try to fit everything in with my game. In the last few years, Track equipment has fit my game the best, so that's what I've been buying. Most competent shop owners that are willing to view your game and that care more about helping than drumming up extra profit tend to be the people to look to, at least in my opinion. As an example, the shop operator that I always go to knows what I like to see a ball do, how I like to play conditions, and recommends equipment accordingly.

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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2003, 05:41:53 PM »
I take my info from both this site and BTM before making any ball decisions.  I like the way that Bowling This Month breaks the ball down into ratings for different lane conditions, and I use the info presented here for some specifics on the equipment as well as some user feedback.

However, I have to take what I read with a grain of salt, since I know that what doesn't work well for most just might work decent for me.  If you took a poll here and asked how many bowlers regularly used dull particle equipment, I doubt that you would find many at all.  However, my house BELIEVES in oil (and lots of), and I know that my ball characteristics need something more aggressive than the average bowler.  Even with dull particle equipment, it is a very rare day when I get inside anywhere near the third arrow, so I've got a ton of lane left to work with on most conditions, provided that I can get enough backend reaction for the ball to recover.  In fact, I don't even remember the last time that I played any deeper than the 12 board at the arrows in my house, if that gives you any clue.  So, a ball that might be interpreted as a dud by someone else might be just what I'm looking for.  That's where it helps to be able to read up on the specs, check out the feedback, and get some straight scoop from BTM too.

Most other bowlers consider the Trauma Response as a dud.  Well, it's my "go to" ball, and typically what I use every night.

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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2003, 12:19:14 AM »
I'm trying to figure out how BTM could make money if they had to buy every ball that came out. If you mean that they get paid to test the balls by the manufacturers advertising in the magazine than you are correct. The only person that gets paid is the person writing the reviews. The other two testers simply throw the balls on the given patterns which are not changed to make each ball look good. Everyone gives their opinion of how each ball performs on the given patterns. Then the reviews are written based on this information. The back end rating is based on the amount of boards that the given ball covers at the back end of the lane. For example, if a ball could hook back to the pocket from the 1 board it would get a back end rating of 17 since the pocket is the 17th board. The total hook is based on the total number of boards that a ball would be able to cover. This test is done by throwing the ball down the 1 board and measuring the total number of boards that the ball covers before it hooks out. Most balls today will hook more than the 39 boards on the lane. Balls that hook more than that are pro-rated based on how soon the ball hooks off of the lane. The drill patterns that are used are usually suggested by the R&D guys from each manufacturer. Sometimes they suggest the testers to use their favorite drill patterns. Most of the drill patterns are very similar from ball to ball so that they can be easily compared on the same scale.
Just trying to answer some questions even though they may not have been asked.

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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2003, 12:19:54 AM »
The BTM stuff i've read from 97 to 99 was pretty good. I read somewhere that after Bob Summerville passed away the quality of the whole thing started to go downhill some. BJI reviews are still pretty good, even though some of theirs were a bit opposite to how BTM thought (eg BJI liked the Super Cuda, BTM didn't)
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2003, 12:31:08 AM »
I have found the BTM reviews toi be a big help and have aided more on more than one occasion with a customer's choice.

Any review must be taken at face value because different factors will influence how a given person throws a ball.

One thing I tend to like about BTM is that they will drill the crankers balls the same from test to test. If the ball is supposed to be a go long and snap ball they drill it with an appropriate drilling. This helps me to judge one ball against another.

I am not fond of the reviews in Bowlers Journal. I have yet to see a review of a ball that he didn't like. Certainly every ball has it's condition but when purchasing a ball I think many people look for versatility over a speciofic reaction on a specific condition unless they are looking for a niche ball. Also BJI makes it tough to compare since they drill one ball 5x3 and another 4x4 and yet another in the same category 3-1/2 x 3-1/2. That makes it very tough to compare them.

Again, use them as a guide, talk to your pro shop guy and make a decision from there.
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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2003, 08:12:24 AM »
Tenpinitis,

   Do I detect a hint of jealousy in your remarks? Free balls?
Wouldn't it be nice to be given some of the top equipment..
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2003, 09:51:06 AM »
When I'm considering a specific ball, I look for a review here from someone whose opinion I've come to respect.  It's a very small list:

Bob Hanson
terminator4 (nee terminator3)
BrianN
Revolutions PS
BBR - Bill

and a few others.  All the reviews that begin with an out-of-box score, I skip; complete waste of time.
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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2003, 01:30:33 PM »
My two cents here is that I have subscribed to BTM for years. I still read and consider their reviews. I also read what has been posted here. I also will study what the manufacturer claims on ball reaction. If possible I like to see others throw the ball or talk to a ball rep about what he is seeing or has experienced (when possible). Then I toss a coin and see if I want to spend the money or need to.

 On BTM itself. When I first starting getting that one they would at times blast a ball and just say it just really didn't work or only worked for bowler A on condition X. Now days it seems they give positive reviews to just about everything. That does concern me some. They will say a ball will not work on extremely dry or wet, or maybe adding surface or polish will be required. The overall reviews just seem at times to be sugar coated a bit. I had more respect for the reviews when they occasionally stuck it to one of the new balls as a piece of junk. Now there were not many that they said that about, but there were a few along the way.

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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2003, 01:38:44 PM »
Tex,

Have you noticed that it takes them an awful long time to get around to reviewing some of the balls though??? It makes me wonder if they were hunting for a shot/condition for it to work on.
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