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call me crazy...
« on: December 01, 2010, 12:41:09 PM »
but if you're a decent bowler, do you ever need more than 2 strike balls if you're bowling only house shots? I average around 210 on a ths, and I see tons of lower average bowlers who are sold into the idea that the more balls they own the better they'll be.  To me, it's just counter productive.  Too many variables, plus how often do you see someone make a "ball change" when they don't even know how to make adjustments to their physical game.  I don't mean to rant, I just wish some people would realize that a typical house shot is a typical house, and it never needs more than a couple balls in the bag, no matter what you average.  Not only will it help your game, it will save a fat stack of green to boot.

 

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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2010, 09:12:19 PM »
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but if you're a decent bowler, do you ever need more than 2 strike balls if you're bowling only house shots? I average around 210 on a ths, and I see tons of lower average bowlers who are sold into the idea that the more balls they own the better they'll be.  To me, it's just counter productive.  Too many variables, plus how often do you see someone make a "ball change" when they don't even know how to make adjustments to their physical game.  I don't mean to rant, I just wish some people would realize that a typical house shot is a typical house, and it never needs more than a couple balls in the bag, no matter what you average.  Not only will it help your game, it will save a fat stack of green to boot.


I agree 100%...I generally decide what I am throwing before I walk in the door and don't change unless something dramatic is different than the norm.
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Re: call me crazy...
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2010, 09:26:46 PM »
I think it depends on your goals.  If you are happy averaging around 210, then bring only 2 balls and be happy.  But I know a lot of bowlers averaging over 230 who bring in 5 - 6 balls and for the most part use at least 3 or more during a 3 game set.  They are aware how the shot breaks down and also that the lanes although THS, may not be the same from week to week.  Their goal is to average 230 higher every week.

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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2010, 09:36:47 PM »
I only need 1 ball the whole night but I won't limit myself to options.if your a decent bowler you should be able to make changes with the physical game as well as equipment changes.IMO.
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2010, 09:44:50 PM »
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I think it depends on your goals.  If you are happy averaging around 210, then bring only 2 balls and be happy.  But I know a lot of bowlers averaging over 230 who bring in 5 - 6 balls and for the most part use at least 3 or more during a 3 game set.  They are aware how the shot breaks down and also that the lanes although THS, may not be the same from week to week.  Their goal is to average 230 higher every week.


That's the point...the good players on a house shot don't need all of the different rocks.  I used the same ball last season for 36 weeks on a second shift league and average 230.  All I had to do was tweek my speed or move around and boom...4 boards of room.  I am by no means a player but needing multiple balls for a house shot is the sign of not being very good.

Remember average is relative....
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2010, 09:49:48 PM »
I think todays game is all about equipment.  Most bowlers like to stay within their comfort zone and would rather change balls than change their hand position.  Lets face it, a ball change can do the same thing as a different hand position (most of the time).

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Re: call me crazy...
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2010, 09:49:49 PM »
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but if you're a decent bowler, do you ever need more than 2 strike balls if you're bowling only house shots? I average around 210 on a ths, and I see tons of lower average bowlers who are sold into the idea that the more balls they own the better they'll be.  To me, it's just counter productive.  Too many variables, plus how often do you see someone make a "ball change" when they don't even know how to make adjustments to their physical game.  I don't mean to rant, I just wish some people would realize that a typical house shot is a typical house, and it never needs more than a couple balls in the bag, no matter what you average.  Not only will it help your game, it will save a fat stack of green to boot.

First... im gonna tell you what you WANT... YOURE CRAZY
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Re: call me crazy...
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2010, 09:52:14 PM »
This can be a good way to go about it. But if you are bowling at my house one night your opponents are all over 60 playing up 10 with charcoal and the next week you have nothing but 20 somethings tearing the cover off the ball. I usually bring 3 very different balls so I can avoid what ever area is getting chewed up by the other bowlers.

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I think it depends on your goals.  If you are happy averaging around 210, then bring only 2 balls and be happy.  But I know a lot of bowlers averaging over 230 who bring in 5 - 6 balls and for the most part use at least 3 or more during a 3 game set.  They are aware how the shot breaks down and also that the lanes although THS, may not be the same from week to week.  Their goal is to average 230 higher every week.


That''s the point...the good players on a house shot don''t need all of the different rocks.  I used the same ball last season for 36 weeks on a second shift league and average 230.  All I had to do was tweek my speed or move around and boom...4 boards of room.  I am by no means a player but needing multiple balls for a house shot is the sign of not being very good.

Remember average is relative....
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Re: call me crazy...
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2010, 09:55:44 PM »
You never know what you're going to run into. I have a 4 ball bag why not bring 3 strike balls and my white dot

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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2010, 09:58:44 PM »
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This can be a good way to go about it. But if you are bowling at my house one night your opponents are all over 60 playing up 10 with charcoal and the next week you have nothing but 20 somethings tearing the cover off the ball. I usually bring 3 very different balls so I can avoid what ever area is getting chewed up by the other bowlers.



Case and point. I've got older people in my tuesday league throwing 1000 abralon sanded virtual gravitys in the track area, and other nights there is a team of all spare balls. But on friday night, the shot changes ever so slightly each week. Where you play this week might not work next week. You have to be ready for that. There's some teams where they're all righties and play inside all night. So why not bring something to let me camp out on the outside by myself?

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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2010, 10:02:31 PM »
I take 5 balls for league. My selection is one for oil, then 4 of whatever strikes my interest that day.

(I''d rather have and not need then need and not have.)
 

Usually the oil ball stays in the bag and I use two of whatever else for the night. One ball for the first two games up the boards, sometimes three if I''m lucky. Then I go to the second ball the third game to move inside and bump the dry.

Tournaments I usually take 5, sometimes 6. Usually end up only using one or two for the set. It is usually not an issue because there are so few in my arsenal that are condition specific. Usually one for oil, and one for dry, then the others will work on whatever else I usually face. So my choice for which to use of those 3 or 4 can be made based on whatever. (preference, mood, fit, ect)


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Re: call me crazy...
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2010, 10:12:46 PM »
Less is more.  When you're just starting out, get 1 bowling ball that can be used on a variety of shots.  Learn how to bowl.

I see too many people that are beginners or that don't have a lot of knowledge about certain aspects of the game that have 5+ bowling balls.

The thing is most of the time all 5 are pearls with the same layout or solids with the same layout.  

I take 1-2 bowling balls with me to league.  Recently it's been 1.  If I know I have to throw the one ball, in warmups I make sure I find something that's going to allow me to have the best chance to get to the pocket, and we all know that with houseshots, it's not that hard to get to the pocket
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Re: call me crazy...
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2010, 10:26:33 PM »
I agree but just like KoukiGS I bring a 4 ball bag. Reason it fits in the locker. In one of my leagues this year for the first 2 or 3 weeks I brought 6 balls. Because I had never bowled league in that house plus they were putting a Kegal shot out and had never bowled on it either. I now carry that same 4 ball bag that I use at the other house. Granted I am nowhere near the bowler Russell is but still.

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Re: call me crazy...
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2010, 04:24:24 AM »
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I think it depends on your goals. If you are happy averaging around 210, then bring only 2 balls and be happy. But I know a lot of bowlers averaging over 230 who bring in 5 - 6 balls and for the most part use at least 3 or more during a 3 game set. They are aware how the shot breaks down and also that the lanes although THS, may not be the same from week to week. Their goal is to average 230 higher every week.  
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That's the point...the good players on a house shot don't need all of the different rocks. I used the same ball last season for 36 weeks on a second shift league and average 230. All I had to do was tweek my speed or move around and boom...4 boards of room. I am by no means a player but needing multiple balls for a house shot is the sign of not being very good.

Remember average is relative....


are not even the same.....not sure why the answer it was answered that way.

People have to remember that bowling is about what people can and can't do and that every one has different abilities and comfort zones.

From what I've seen, the first shift shot (assuming oil applied just before) is going to break down more in 3 games for a 5 man team than the second shift shot.  In my house, I would need to have more to cover the first shift than the second because by the time the second shift is in, it's going from light to nothing.

As for the rest, bowling is about being able to repeat.  Changing a ball is usually a single variable for most people....typically a solid to a pearl change.  In that case, repetition is easier since you can stay in the same area of the lane and make no hand/speed changes.

Hand/speed changed are single and double variables and for many, that leads to more problems because there is the extra variable to control.

For me, it depends on what I want.  If I feel like moving, then I make hand/speed changes and even move to different areas of the lane.  If I know that a particular area is open on the lane, I might make a ball and area change.  It all depends.

But my way of attacking a THS makes me no better than anyone else....and doesn't make me better or the person that changes balls worse.  That's the piss poor attitude this place has.
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Re: call me crazy...
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2010, 05:55:33 AM »
First off, I'm a lefty...the old saying that we can strike with anything we throw is not quite true.  We in most cases can play a 3 game set on the same pair with the same ball.

I carry a 3 ball roller for league, 6 balls to local tournaments and will be taking 9-12 to regionals this year (rather to have them than to have to  buy one there).

For league and depending on the house I take 1 solid, 1 pearl, and a spare ball.  In some cases I might have a tournament coming that will require me to play a certain zone and I will take the gear to league to play that zone to prepare for the tournament, but still only 3 including plastic.
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