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pin-chaser

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Follow Up about Integrity
« on: October 10, 2006, 01:58:51 PM »
What should bowling be? Should bowling be about who has the right ball to give them the most mistake room? Should bowling be about lane conditioning that guides balls to the pocket? Dont we all agree that these are different levels of cheating?

I know that is not what our game is about today. And I also know that prior to the 70's bowling was closer to those ideals and quess when bowling was in its prime??? You got it...

Its all about everyone knowing there place is line and not being able to move up in line with simply taking advantage of technology (even if for a day). The days when you had to perfect your style, post at the line, hit a dime at 40ft 9 out of 10 times in order to be at the top made everything clear. The guys on TV were GODS to the bowling world and everyone knew it. Funny there used to be double shift leagues, morning leagues, afternoon and sunday leagues, open play that packed the house... why?? Because it was in vogue?? Perhaps, but because there was money and everyone knew that when they got good enough they could make some money.

If we can get back to the correct order of things, we might have solved many of the issues of what is causing the attrition rate.
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Re: Follow Up about Integrity
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2006, 11:49:16 PM »
Pin chaser,

You're living in a dream world.

1. We have the bowling environment to which you're referring: sport bowling. I've seen and bowled on conditions where you have to have the right ball, the right release AND pick out the right target and hit that target within a dime's length with the same release and ball speed to score. You know what? not one in 100,000 bowlers wants to bowl on that condition any more. I've seen griping on an order of magnitude that made me want to commit violence.

2. I'll give you two examples of how technology has allowed people to do what only the professionals used to do:
B. CARS: Today's car allow the average driver to drive the way it used to take professionals years to learn how to drive: cornering, handling and speed. Technology has allowed todays' VERY average driver to do the things with cars that drivers 50+ years ago learned to do only with extreme talent and years of training.

B. COMPUTERS: in the 1940s I believe Eniac was a creation that has over the next 60 years allowed individuals to have more than Eniacs computing power on desks in our homes.
"By today's standards for electronic computers the ENIAC was a grotesque monster. Its thirty separate units, plus power supply and forced-air cooling, weighed over thirty tons. Its 19,000 vacuum tubes, 1,500 relays, and hundreds of thousands of resistors, capacitors, and inductors consumed almost 200 kilowatts of electrical power."
We have email and the internet and wireless networks and nothign will ever be the same again. Would you also have us go back to tubes providing amplification of our electronic signals with in our PCs???

There must be 100 other examples of the same scenario.

The average bowler can now knock over pins with our advanced balls and proprietor's forgiving oil patterns to an undreamed of degree during the 1950s & 1960s when Don Carter became first athletic millionaire.

Nothing in bowling will ever be the same again.

NOT EVER! Get used to it. The dream is over.

Yes, I'm a pessimistic pragmatist. I hate it, but the bottom line is we ALLL have to deal with a miserable eventuality.





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Re: Follow Up about Integrity
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2006, 12:25:38 AM »
Read this book . . .

http://www.bowlingalone.com/

I started to type some boring stuff from back in the day, but it's all been said.

The game is still great.
It all depends upon how you view it.

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Re: Follow Up about Integrity
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2006, 12:36:15 AM »
I have NEVER found it hard to hit the pocket in this game except on today's tricky conditions.  As a kid in the 60s...then the 70s and 80s hitting the pocket was always easy.  Only carry seems to have gotten better.

AND today's slippery or bone dry harsh border synthetics can make hitting the pocket!!  TOUGH!

Bowling today can be tough.  Just like if a golf course cannot be lengthened...the only way to toughen is to TRICK it up!

My home town golf course went from a moderately long course in the 1970s to a short course for the tour in the 80s...only extreme trickery has kept them from braking the record for the tournament year after year on tour!

REgards,

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Re: Follow Up about Integrity
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2006, 09:47:15 AM »
When I first started bowling (early to mid 80's), I could hit anything, and I mean anything.  I was bowling with plastic/polyester, whatever it was back then.  I threw a straight ball with conventional grip.  I literally mean I could hit anything....I could make the 10 pin by hitting it on the right side, 9 out of 10 times.  

Now, I don't think I could hit the same mark twice if I tried.  Now I throw reactive drilled finger tip.  I score much higher (most of the time), but I don't think it's because I've gotten any better.  It is all about the technology, and the fact that everybody wants to throw "the big hook."  It probably also has to do with the fact that I'm 20 years older and don't have the eyesight or dexterity that I used to.  

It's funny, 10-12 years ago I started bowling again with some buddies, and got mesmerized with the "big hook."  Of course back then I had to throw no-thumb to get the hook (wish I still had that Gyro!).  After that I've never been able to go back to throwing straight.

It's funny, I now suddenly get what Marshall Holman was talking about when he made those comments on bowl.com - about having to make the shots and being able to carry the 8 pin.

Problem now is that everybody has access to the same technology.  You can claim you want a challenge, but I don't see anybody bowling with plastic/polyester anymore, unless they are shooting spares.  I imagine its probably ego - we can know that we are better than that punk kid throwing his new inferno, knowing that he has no talent and the ball is doing all the work, but we don't want to see him with a higher average, so we jump on the newest ball too!

I for one get frustrated when I see people in league throwing their plastic ball from the local sports store (at least 10-15 years old), throwing it fast and straight, hitting the head pin dead on and getting strikes.  You see them not hit the same spot twice and still get good count.....it's ridiculous when you see somebody hit the 3/6 pocket and still get 8 or 9 count because the pins are flying.  Meanwhile, you are throwing a nice hook, getting almost dead flush each time and still leaving 10 pins or some funky 4/9 split.
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Re: Follow Up about Integrity
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2006, 01:29:53 PM »
We all know what bowling is today... just ask anyone and they will tell you.  Everyone has an opinion and for the masses is it what it is. That is not the point to my post.

WHat should bowling be? Should it be a fun activity?? Or a sport ?? Or Both ?? Should bowling require accuracy beyond what is required today? Should bowling be required to have consistant releases, ball speed or just allow anything?  Where does bowling draw the line to make this sport easier for the masses? Certainly the next big generation of bowling balls and lane machines will continue to make this sport easier and easier and so it continues until in 50 years 900's will be common place.. and league averages of 270+ will be high in all leagues... and is that exceptable? At what point will technology completely obsolete the game itself and is that exceptable? And what will all this do to our game?

I am not living in a dream world... I fully except what it is today... (and that is a joke.) Comparing bowling to other activities is not a fair comparison either. Sometimes technology is good and sometimes technology is "too good" which translates into not good at all. Technology used to provide saftey is certainly good... but based on that statement you cant assume all technology is good especially when it alters the very requirement of the sport... making it easier for bowlers to strike is not a good thing... and you can never make me believe that. It seems every sport has a governing body that respects the integrity of there sport... but not in bowling. Pay the $10K USBC and you have whatever you want sanctioned no matter how much it changes the requirements of the sport provided it fall within some very loose limits.
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