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MI 2 AZ

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Full Roller Using Urethane
« on: October 20, 2017, 05:58:12 PM »
I was talking to a bowler during league and noticed he was using a Burgundy Hammer (the remake) and that he was a full roller.  I asked him why he was using that ball.  I thought at first it was the old original but he said when he went to the pro shop in Tucson last year, he was told that as a full roller, the ball he needed for THS was that one. 

I watched him bowl and the ball just did nothing.  He makes spares pretty good with it as it is pretty straight, but seems to be a bit lacking as a strike ball for him.  Is that ball supposed to be a good match for a full roller?  (THS = 39' pattern).



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Re: Full Roller Using Urethane
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2017, 07:33:36 PM »
First, the new burgundy hammer is not urethane.  More to the point, urethane may be an option on a shorter house pattern, but no more for a full roller.  If this guy isn't getting a good reaction with the burgundy he probably needs something stronger
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Re: Full Roller Using Urethane
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2017, 08:38:49 PM »
Wow if he can't get the Burgundy Hammer remake to move he might have to accept he isn't going to get any hook with anything.  That Burgundy Hammer is deceptively strong and covers nearly as many boards as my Scandal Pearl even though I am speed dominant.  For a full roller though he may need a ball that backends harder whereas the Burgundy Hammer starts hooking at your feet with a wide arc.  Full rollers generally have to keep their speed down to get their ball to move.  Has he tried that?
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Re: Full Roller Using Urethane
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2017, 11:32:20 PM »
Yeah, I wouldn't suggest the Burgundy Hammer or a similar ball for a full roller. I have an older teammate in one of my leagues that's a full roller and I always like his look with a ball that pops more on the backend than one of the earlier starters. A Burgundy Hammer for him... No. Just no.
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Re: Full Roller Using Urethane
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2017, 11:45:23 PM »
He does need something with more back end hook.  Is it possible that the ball is just losing energy too quickly because he is a full roller?
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Re: Full Roller Using Urethane
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2017, 01:03:35 AM »
Very possible.  It will be bleeding some energy early in the lane for sure.  The RG is fairly high but it hooks pretty early even for me being speed dominant and that ball back ends hard for virtually nobody.  That one guy Nord on here has lots of good tips for full rollers and his ball speed is fairly low.  He throws a lot of old urethane and rubber but he also bowls on dry wood lanes I think.   Not sure what is a good ball for full rollers honestly.  Hell maybe a Hy-Road as that ball seems to work for nearly everyone on house shot lol.  If he wants true urethane and his ball speed isn't too high maybe a new Black or Purple Hammer will also work for him.
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Re: Full Roller Using Urethane
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2017, 02:55:46 AM »
He said it was hooking for him last year but that was on a two foot longer oil pattern and I did not see him, so just going by what he said about that.  :)

I remember I did look at his ball and the pin was at about the 7 o'clock position so that seems correct for a full roller. 

Has anyone had any experience with changing the surface on that ball?   I just looked at the specs on the ball and it comes from factory at 500 AB.  From what I saw of the ball, I don't think the cover has been touched by any abrasives since the factory.  That's why at first I thought he was using an original Faball Burgundy, it's got some pretty good gouges and nicks in it.   :)



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Re: Full Roller Using Urethane
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2017, 11:19:29 AM »
Ok that's the problem.  Yes that ball has to be touched up by hand with 500 grit or maroon scotch brite if not after every session after several.  Its an incredibly soft cover stock and doesn't hold surface for crap especially compared to old urethane.  That ball really does need surface to function well (super continuous with no jump).  My recommendation is for him to get a full resurface and back to factory and go to Home Depot and get some maroon scotch brites in the painting section.  This ball is extremely easy to scuff up so I recommend for touch ups always doing it by hand and not with a spinner.
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Re: Full Roller Using Urethane
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2017, 11:37:46 AM »
Tell him to get the ball de-oiled while he's at it.  --  JohnP
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