Author Topic: Can you remember before your bowling alley because Super Easy? kinda long (Read 1959 times)

David Lee Yskes · « **on:** December 23, 2008, 03:40:07 PM »

So this past weekend, I went to visit my dad for Christmas, and my brother told me to bring my bowling stuff, so i did, and we went bowling saturday nite. Well it just so happend, I ran into a old bowling friend and we got to talking about bowling in the area and such.
About how one center was bought back in 2004 ( Northland ) and completely re-furbished and how the one i went to was sold during the summer of 2005 ( Century ), and went to crap. Which of course went onto how guys will goto where ever they can score the easiest. Because everyone migrated to the place that was re-furbished because they were putting down a SUPER SUPER EASY shot, and the other place ended up being in the hands of a guy who didnt know anything about bowling lol.
Of course my friend said the Northland shot is so easy that high average is like 250 in the house and that one guy who before moving to town had 4, 800's and none since he moved to town, already has 4, 800's this yr. He also went onto mention how some guys are averaging 210+, but yet they goto States, and end up shooting nothing but 180's lol..
Now this got me thinking, back to when it seemed all the bowling alleys in said area had tougher shots, that all played differently. And if you averaged high 190's or over 200, you were consider'd GOOD. And I'm not talking 20yrs ago, this is within the last 10-12yrs.
And both of us joked about how its fun to average high for a bit, but after a while it just gets old and, we both agreed, that whats the point of averaging 230, when you goto some other house and struggle to shoot 180. We both also agreed that we'd rather struggle shooting 180's in a sport shot league than to average 220+ knowing it isnt going to do anything for us when we goto States or nationals.
But it just made me wonder, at what point did all the bowling alleys decide to see who could put out the easiest shot??? Because before these super easy shots, guys usta bowl 2 or 3 nights a week, in different houses so they knew how to bowl on those shots.
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nd300 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 24, 2008, 12:18:48 AM »

It's nto about putting out an easy shot.It's more of a Catch-22 for the owner,and here's why:
Bowling used to be one of the main family entertainment activities.With the advent of computers and all the associated games,bowling numbers are and have been declining.There have been several articles written about this,so there's no sense in beating a dead horse in this thread.
There's also been the explosion of technology in bowling balldesign and funstion,whereby bowlers who don't quite have the skills can buy the latest and greatest ball,show up one night a week,and average 200 or better.
One side of the argument says that the owner needsd to have bowlers in his house in order to survive,so to make bowlers happy,a shot appears that allows high scoring.
Yet in order to be better bowlers,we know that we should practice.But if the owner puts out a tougher shot that causes bowlers to adjust or use another ball,what happens??The alley staff gets yelled at because the once a week Joe Bowler can't show up like normal,pull out his latest ball.throw ove rthe same mark he's used for years and score 200.While the owner has the best intentions of making Joe Bowler better,Joe doesn't see it that way.All he knows is that he isn't scoring like normal,so Joe isn't happy.After a season of not averaging 200 like he's used to(even though he's really not good enough to be an HONEST 200),Joe and his teammates move to another house where they CAN SCORE.
So what's the owner to do??Put out an easy shot to keep customers coming back year after year and buying the latest ball they see the PBA pros throwing on Sunday,or risk losing his business in the name of integrity in bowling?

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David Lee Yskes · « **Reply #2 on:** December 24, 2008, 12:38:01 AM »

ND300,

Oh yea i know the whole beating the dead horse thing, but, I'm sure everyone can remember back years ago, or even now, when they "actually" knew how good they were. And nobody complain'd, if you wanted to get better you practiced or just stayed content with your current situation.

As for the New Technology, I personally think its all BS, Its just propaganda crap to get guys to buy stuff lol. Yes sometimes it does help, but right now I'm throwing an "old" Storm Power Charge, and doing just fine.

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Jay · « **Reply #3 on:** December 24, 2008, 01:21:27 AM »

I bowl in one each of a PBAX and house shot league. I average ~200 on the house shot, which isn't what most would consider easy compared to the THS, and ~172 on my PBAX league. We've done 5 weeks of Shark and Viper, and we're coming to our 5th week of Scorpion for what it's worth. I am enjoying the experience on these conditions especially since it's on pro anvilane and with what's supposed to be a good oiling machine. I'm not sure though that I'd rather bowl this league than my house shot league though, and the only reason is because of my limited arsenal. Personally, my confidence would be in the gutter if I wasn't bowling on some sort of house shot and since I know what tougher conditions are like I wouldn't be caught totally off-guard when it came to tournaments.

Dan Belcher · « **Reply #4 on:** December 24, 2008, 05:57:19 AM »

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As for the New Technology, I personally think its all BS, Its just propaganda crap to get guys to buy stuff lol. Yes sometimes it does help, but right now I'm throwing an "old" Storm Power Charge, and doing just fine.

I keep hearing this argument, and it's true if there's a good amount of friction where you're bowling. If I tried to use anything older on the house shot I see on Tuesday nights, I'd be leaving 8-10s all night. The first game I have to slow it down some (I'm speed dominant) and roll my Dimension straight up 6 right on the edge of the friction to get the ball to carry. Most people that have older equipment in this house ping 10 pins all the time because the ball just won't face up to the pocket.

johns811 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 24, 2008, 06:06:20 AM »

Timely post. I subbed last night at house haven't been bowled in this year. The top 5 avg are over 235. Good bowlers but not that good. I threw the ball poorly, missed 2 spares and shot 676. About 8-10 years ago, the same bowlers would be 20-30 pins lower.

nd300 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 24, 2008, 06:19:42 AM »

By new technology,I meant just that---weight block designs both symmetrical and asymmetrical,high and low load particle coverstocks,reactive resin coverstocks,multiple drilling practices,etc,etc.Twenty years ago,we didn't have things like this,so when you averaged 200 or shot 600 thwen you were thought to be a good bowler.
Find a true urethane ball and bowl with that for a season.Then you'll find out how good you really are.I don't mean that as an insult to anyone,but too many of us rely upon the strength of the balls today.

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David Lee Yskes · « **Reply #7 on:** December 24, 2008, 09:04:39 AM »

ND300 hey i have a old Red Hammer, and had it drilled up this yr, and used it for about two months from mid Sept to nov and did nothing but shoot 650's lol.

StikeD, the thing about PBAX leagues is most guys think you need to have 10 different balls to be able to bowl in that league, and you dont. What you need is to be open minded and not worry about what your scores are, cuz your going to have the days when you sweat out a 150 game.

Strike, I've also bowled on a league shot which was very comparable to a PBA shot, flying backends and little to no room for error. After bowling in that league and then going off to do a PBA regional, the Regional seemed easy cuz I wasnt expecting to bowl well but did.

At the time, i seriously hated said league and oil condition but now i cherish a shot like that, because it made me a better bowler.
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tenpin477 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 24, 2008, 10:30:11 AM »

As said, there was a time when these Joe Bowlers were not averaging 200, and not only were they content with it, but there were more customers bowling league.

The Super Duper Easy shot has not helped, bowlers, or proprietors and something drastically needs to be done about it.

mainzer · « **Reply #9 on:** December 25, 2008, 01:30:00 PM »

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The Super Duper Easy shot has not helped, bowlers, or proprietors and something drastically needs to be done about it.

The easy shot isn't the issue it is bowlers being lazy not practicing to get better just expecting their scores to improve the longer they bowl but it doesn't work like that this is a sport and it has to be treated as such, if you wanna score better get out and practice.

Here in Wisconsin all the houses are putting less and less oil on the lane every year, all the new fangled gear doesn't work that well on the dry I see more often than not.
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #10 on:** December 25, 2008, 02:04:56 PM »

I'm not seeing those super easy shots any more and the high averages and number of high series are not reflecting your thoughts....in my current bowling area anyway.

REgards,

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mainzer · « **Reply #11 on:** December 25, 2008, 05:02:58 PM »

Lucky where do you bowl? I wanna bowl their.
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #12 on:** December 26, 2008, 11:01:55 AM »

I do remember when shots were easy....around 2000!

When particles first came out! I don't remember missing the pocket some nights.

REgards,

Luckylefty
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strikecing · « **Reply #13 on:** December 26, 2008, 11:29:49 AM »

I know here in Indy the last couple weeks of league the bowling centers put out the easiest shot so they can keep all the leagues for the next year. Tricky tricky dawm Royal Pin
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David Lee Yskes · « **Reply #14 on:** December 26, 2008, 11:30:17 AM »

Lefty,

i remember 2000 as being the toughest league shot i've encounter'd and wish it would make a comeback. The funny part was, at the end of the 99-00 season the bowling alley had bought a new phoenix machine and the shot became easy! my average went up a good 6 pins in the last 6 weeks of the season.

So obviously the next season, i was giddy about bowling cuz we'd finally have a decent shot to play on... Boy was i wrong! The shot was unreal, you had very little hold if you pulled the ball and sending the ball out was just as bad. So i was doing one of those WTF is going on that you see with typical house bowlers.

But they ended up changing the shot and low n behold the scores went threw the roof!
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