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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: leftybowler70 on November 02, 2016, 06:58:45 PM
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For 2 months, in my Thursday league, for the life of me I just can't seem to carry no matter what adjustments I make (moving up on the approach, slowing it down, tightening up my lines, more axis rotation /tilt) Nothing is working :-\
My question is to you guys is, how do you guys go about it, and does it ever get to a point where you wanna take a break or something?
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If I'm leaving corners all night after making adjustments with roll, speed, angle, lateral moves, etc.... then it's a ball change for me.
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I've change equipment as well, surfaces, the whole nine with no success: I guess I'll just have to bowl my way out of it, just keep it simple as usual.
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What are you throwing? If it's a continual problem you might want to get something that's significantly different than your other balls since it sounds like all other options have been exhausted.
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Simply put, you need to change your angle to the pocket. Moving forward or back on the approach rarely works, because most bowlers end at the same distance from the foul line anyway.
First I like to make a small move closer to friction (outside on THS) so that I'm coming in at "high flush" because my chances of carrying the corner pins goes up dramatically.
As long as I'm having good ball reaction I will not change balls until I've exhausted a few different entry angles. (Too many bowlers nowadays bring too many balls to league and feel "obligated" to use them all, but waste an entire game or so trying to find out that their original ball was probably sufficient.) Be patient and focus on letting the ball hook instead of making it hook. Less muscle is easier to repeat, so find a way to relax as you try to find your ideal line. Good luck as you move forward.
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i agree its so frustrating, especially when the pin jumps over the corner pins
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Biggest thing I do is watch the ball go thru the pin deck. If I start hanging corners, I watch where the ball leaves the deck. I evaluate if I threw, what I felt was, a good shot. If so, did the ball continue towards the 9 pin or deflect towards the 8 pin? If I like my look with the current ball and feel I can keep scoring with it, I will make a release change and/or move my feet. If that doesn't work it's time to change balls. Sometimes you can make all the right moves and still struggle on a pair. Make your spares and grind it out.
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Age old issue. It is all about deflection. Deflection is minimized when rev rate, ball speed, and axis rotation are optimal with the oil pattern. Contrary to popular opinion increasing entry angle in itself does not reduce deflection. It only changes the direction of the deflection. That is why carry can be so bad with modern equipment that has so much hook potential. It also explains why carry can often be better with a more direct angle to the pocket.
I often say that modern equipment allows us lower rev players to out hook our rev rate. Deflection is minimized when a ball is still releasing energy to change direction not because a ball has changed direction.
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Just a sidenote:
On my previous post I said change your angle to the pocket. I did not say increase your entry angle.
Sometimes the condition allows the light hit to carry for one guy, while it doesn't for the next guy. One does not even need extreme angles to hit "high flush". On any given day we will need more or less angle, but we still need to hit the pocket with some regularity. So, if you're not carrying with one particular angle, try a different one.
Therefore, I agree with avabob. It would also be unsafe to assume that "no deflection" is optimal, or the right handers would leave the 9 pin too often. Any other thoughts?
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Great point. That is why I said minimize deflection. No deflection would result in high flush 9s and 4/9 or worse.
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Yell. Kick things. Curse. Blame the staff. Drive home pissed.
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Yell. Kick things. Curse. Blame the staff. Drive home pissed.
In other words, be like a teenager and throw a fit? I think not, especially behind the wheel of a ton and a half of seriously heavy steel, driving down the road. I know, I know... It's all in good fun, but.... REALLY? ::)
Sarcasm..........
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Thanks for the responses guys.... Coorzero, I throw a little bit of everything..... Right now I'm throwing my venom strike, and my IQ tour nano. Avbob /Notclay, I play straighter to begin with, but pattern breaks down pretty fast (medium/ dry Conditions forces me to open up my angles after a game and a half).
As I mentioned with all I've done in all areas to carry that pesky 7 pin, I'll just have to stay with it until It changes for me. As mentioned, just part of the game.
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Also forgot to mention, I also use my Roto Grip Rumble for the burn......
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Most of the time for me, it means my ball is coming into the pocket too steep or too late. Prime example last league night I was using the Fire Quantum and finished game two with two tens because the ball came in a little steep. I changed to something a little smoother in the Ultimate Nirvana and carried everything in game 3.
Pay close attention to the way the ball comes into the pocket and spot on the lane that the ball is making its move
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Yell. Kick things. Curse. Blame the staff. Drive home pissed.
In other words, be like a teenager and throw a fit? I think not, especially behind the wheel of a ton and a half of seriously heavy steel, driving down the road. I know, I know... It's all in good fun, but.... REALLY? ::)
Sarcasm..........
I understand that, really.
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Usually the way the ball exits the pin deck is going to give me an indication of what's happening on the lane and let me know if an adjustment is needed or if a ball change is warranted. When you're getting into the flat 10 when moving laterally left, and the early check when moving laterally right (even with speed) the ball exiting the pin deck will confirm this.
At that point it's time for a different ball motion.
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Biggest thing I do is watch the ball go thru the pin deck. If I start hanging corners, I watch where the ball leaves the deck. I evaluate if I threw, what I felt was, a good shot. If so, did the ball continue towards the 9 pin or deflect towards the 8 pin? If I like my look with the current ball and feel I can keep scoring with it, I will make a release change and/or move my feet. If that doesn't work it's time to change balls. Sometimes you can make all the right moves and still struggle on a pair. Make your spares and grind it out.
This ^^^^^^
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I typically bring a few balls that have previously worked. But I ensure they are all different hook shapes..
Using storm all polished balls have the same finish....so it's easy for me to just ball up or ball down based on core/cover AND hook shape. For example if I need straighter angles (up the boards) I might bust out my !Q fusion. If I need to move left and bounce it off the dry, maybe the hyroad comes out. Fusion hooks too early then my uproar comes out, or hyroad is too much.
.I go down to a scream.
I typically on THS have no problem hitting the hole. It's just a matter of carry. So I adjust off of multiple ten pin leaves. Never stress about 1 or 2..
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The prime characteristic of house shots is that the heads burn forcing you to move in ( true from either side ) then you have to go around the heavy oil in the center. This causes late entry and makes the ball almost certain to burn early for us lower rev guys. Guys with speed can stay out longer and play straighter. Guys with revs can move in and not lose carry. It is the reason I often bowl better on flatter patterns when I can get to the pocket.