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agroves

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Carrydown issues.....
« on: November 07, 2004, 11:27:00 PM »
The center I bowl at on Tuesday night increased the oil by 15% this year.  The means we are pushing close to 70 units or so in the middle.  I could be alittle high on that figure but if I am, it isn't by much.  

The last 5 years the oil pattern generally dries up and rarely ever carried down.  Well, not this year, the oil is carrying down and I am having a helluva time carrying anything.  I normally try dull resin in this situation but it seems too strong.  It could be my polished equipment is just too weak to make the corner.  

I was thinking about sanding my Ravage down to 1000 grit or so.  It has length drilled into and with a slightly more aggressive cover should do the trick.  

Can anyone provide a better solution?  My profile has my arsenal and stats.

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Re: Carrydown issues.....
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2004, 07:41:37 AM »
I usually like particle balls during carrydown moments, because you need something that is going to turn and turn consistently.  Resin balls for me at least are too touchy.  Get one in the dry and its through the nose or 9 pins, and leave it inside and look out 1-2-4-10's.  Particle balls usually have enough bite to fight through the oil, and cut through carrydown.  

That's my preference, hopefully someone else has a better answer for you
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Re: Carrydown issues.....
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2004, 08:23:48 AM »
bullred gave me this solution and it's worked the best so far.  Find a high RG particle ball like a Navy Fuze.  High RG will allow it to lope down lane without early turn.  I keep it in box condition then hit it with a maroon pad by hand after warm up.  I go length wise in-line with grips and thumb.  This gives it length thru heads and later flaring rings will be across the scuff marks I put on it.  I only maroon pad it if I need a lil more bite on back end to carry.  Otherwise I leave it alone.  This is the best way to combat carrydown for me that I've found.

Andrew what type of surface are you bowling on?

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Re: Carrydown issues.....
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2004, 08:39:16 AM »
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Andrew what type of surface are you bowling on?

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Wood with guardian overlay.  

I have a shock zone pro.  I could give it a try.  what do you think?

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Re: Carrydown issues.....
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2004, 08:47:08 AM »
Andrew--That's exactly the type of surface I bowl on with the same problems.  The Guardian overlay is very soft.  Hence the lane conditoner...that puddle in the middle is pulled down to the backend.  There goes your carry.

Don't know much about the Shock Zone but it seems very much like the Navy Fuze.  High RG with particle and same out of box finish.  

Did they just put down the Guardian?

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Re: Carrydown issues.....
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2004, 08:55:09 AM »
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Did they just put down the Guardian?

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Nope.  It has been down since I've been here.
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Re: Carrydown issues.....
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2004, 09:11:30 AM »
Then it must be the kind of lane conditoner they are using and the amount.  Those big puddles lead to big problems.  

The shame is any knowledgeable laneman, mechanic, proprietor can make the lanes more playable and still easy if they want by extending the length 2 feet adding a bit like 2 1/2 units to the outside so it isn't so over/under and take away 20-30 from the middle.  

BTW--Don't have the exact figures but Guardian is about 8-10 hardness, where wood and HPL synthetic are around 50 hardness and Bruns. Anvilane is around 55-60 hardness.  With that soft a surface in the heads and the large imprint high flaring equipment leaves you can see where the problem comes from.

Let us know how the Shock Zone works.

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Re: Carrydown issues.....
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2004, 10:40:31 AM »
Will do, thanks for the input.

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Re: Carrydown issues.....
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2004, 10:50:04 AM »
Do you swing the ball or project straighter down the lane? If you swing  the ball go straighter or loop around the carry down but recommend the first as most are not proficient at the second. If you are already straight cut down on you axis rotation or tilt through release changes. Putting a little more surface couldn't hurt and some of the above stated steps will definitely help. What about your ravage, have you tried it there?
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Re: Carrydown issues.....
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2004, 10:53:29 AM »
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Do you swing the ball or project straighter down the lane? If you swing  the ball go straighter or loop around the carry down but recommend the first as most are not proficient at the second. If you are already straight cut down on you axis rotation or tilt through release changes. Putting a little more surface couldn't hurt and some of the above stated steps will definitely help. What about your ravage, have you tried it there?


I can do either, and I have.  I just seems anything with surface is touchy and anything with polish carries like crap.

I will give an up the back release a try with my inferno.

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Re: Carrydown issues.....
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2004, 11:02:39 AM »
IMO...an end over end roll is not going to help recover on back end for carry down.  One can't always go around the carry down if you are a righty if other bowlers on your pair have pushed out oil and it becomes squirelly at the break point.  You're the one that could tell us Andrew other wise if the outside is clean you may be able to go around it.  Many times what I see on Guardian and old wood is that it becomes more squirelly especially in 5 man league situations where you have every kind of righty playing all types of shots/trajectories.  

I think you'll need to get more axis tilt as you move into the lane and feed the ball to the dry track.  What trajectory you play will be left up to what's in the heads.  Tighter w/a bit of speed is better.

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Re: Carrydown issues.....
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2004, 11:10:31 AM »
I practiced yesterday for four games on the house shot.  It didn't carry down until late in the fourth game.  I was throwing my XS.  I was practicing a small swing shot from 18 out to 10.  I didn't want to get the ball out past ten.  

This shot seemed to work okay.  If I missed it a touch at the release the ball wouldn't make the corner at all.  I moved out and played up 7 with the xs.  An open hand fluff release worked pretty well with this shot.  

I will probably sand the shock zone to 1000 or 1500 and take it tuesday.

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Re: Carrydown issues.....
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2004, 10:57:53 AM »
Well, the Shock Zone didn't work out too well for me.  Some of it was operator error but overall I didn't feel that comfortable with it.  I pulled out a 631, thanks to my first game of 258.  

I did learn something on my very last shot.  I was still struggling with carry so I just decided move 1 right from where I was before the carrydown started.  Then, I just threw the ball out to 5 and it came back.  Hopefully I've figured out how to go around the crap now....

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Re: Carrydown issues.....
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2004, 12:16:17 PM »
I suppose you are using a layout to help get the ball rolling earlier... perhaps pin below ring and cg kicked out. It ususally helps me control the carry down situations.
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Re: Carrydown issues.....
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2004, 12:17:55 PM »
Unfortuntely, I don't have but one ball like that right now.  But, Friday my Intense arrives with that exact layout.

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