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charlest

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Carrydown SItuation: Fire Quantum vs Revenge
« on: August 27, 2003, 06:09:04 PM »
I've come across an odd situation that apparently defies logic.
The last few weeks of a Summer league the owner decided to break-in a new oil machine. The oil pattern was the same but the amount is much heavier. WIth Guardian heads and wood backend, the oil carried down significantly in the 2nd game of the 5 games we bowled. Being scratch singles AND changing pair and opponents after every game allows you to see 10 lanes.

My breakpoint is around 8-9 board around 42 feet down. Using a Red/Black Monster had been providing a good reaction, even with the heavier oil, which has gone from Medium-light to just above medium and not quite Medium-heavy. A polished solid will work where a dull solid will not. OR you had to hit 5 board or further outside. The Outside is VERY dry. Well, I had not success with this environment until ...

Last night I tried 2 alternatives: a Nighthawk Revenge: particle pearl, sanded as it came out of the box to 1000 grit, pin under bridge, 5"x4" drilling, 2" pin-CG distance, no weight hole. Nice reaction first game, then carry down. Not as bad as Black/Red Monster, but bad enough to drop me from 225 1st game to 175. This identical scenario has happened to me the last 3 weeks in a row. EVen a polished solid resin couldn't handle the carrydown; it was pretty heavy.

I switch to Fire Quantum. Pin over ring finger, CG in grip center, 3" pin-CG distance, 5"x5" drilling (but much milder than Revenge).

Normally I'd consider the Fire Quantum a step down in oil handling capability, seeing how its a poilshed resin pearl and the Revenge is a dulled, particle pearl.

For the next 3 games, I never gave the carrydown a 2nd thought. Shot 233, 242, 227 the next 3 games, and had the same area I had before the new oil machine, but with much better results.

Anyone who played a breakpoint between say 7 board and 12 board suffered this same problem, even super crankers, because they had to use light oil balls like Hot Rods and Blue Gryphons.  If they all the way out to 5 board or used some solids, they were OK.

So what shocked me is the difference between these two balls and the way they handled the carrydown.

I have new respect for the Power Koil 18 coverstock &, I guess, the Quantum mushroom core!

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Re: Carrydown SItuation: Fire Quantum vs Revenge
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2003, 09:18:36 AM »
Charlest,

I think that the Fire Quantum's true strength is not truly revealed in our eyes.  

I have a friend that told me his Fire Quantum reacts the SAME as his Cherry Bomb but doesn't squirl in the backends.

He also told me that the Fire was useless on a fresh shot with clean backends because the ball would break very hard when it hit the dry.  At the same time he could use his Cherry Bomb but adjust accordingly to the condition.

Is it possible like stated before in the other thread that this ball's specs are not clearly stated, or understood for that matter?  In my eyes....despite the lower DIF I'd consider the Fire, with the PK18 cover to be a ball for medium to heavier oil.
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Re: Carrydown SItuation: Fire Quantum vs Revenge
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2003, 09:22:45 AM »
Charlest, I have always had respect for the mushroom core and still do today. Brunswick says their other cores hit just as hard as the muchroom. but I disagree although in my opinion the Inferno comes close. That's one of the reasons I still carry my old Forest Green Quantum with me at all times and still use it when my newer balls won't work for me that day. I used to have a Fire Quantum with PIN over ring finger and CG kicked out slightly and it too was an excellent ball. One of my sons loved it also and kept begging for it, so I finally gave in and gave it to him. He still uses it. Guess I should beg for it back.
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charlest

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Re: Carrydown SItuation: Fire Quantum vs Revenge
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2003, 10:06:05 AM »
APK,

I think the phrase you're looking for is that the FQ's power belies its specifications. That is, it's much more powerful than its specs would indicate.
WHile I just would not consider it for heavy oil, UNTIL I tested it in such, I would definitely say, that, based on what happened last night, I would not hesitate to use it on medium-heavy oil with carrydown.

Brickguy,

The Forest Green Quantum has been re-manufactured by Brunswick for Bowlingball.com.
http://www.bowlingball.com/cgi-bin/store/store.pl?Function=ShowProduct&ProductNumber=QUFOGR&Type=balls
They sell then direct for $100 AND they are available on Ebay quite regularly.

If you liked it that much, you might consider getting a new one. Doesn't sound that expensive today.

I never bought a Quantum before this Ebay purchase of an FQ; they were always above the threshold I would pay for a ball.

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LuckyLefty

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Re: Carrydown SItuation: Fire Quantum vs Revenge
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2003, 11:19:21 AM »
I just offered one used in the wanter for sale forum.

Drilled twice left then righty(now).

Good shape weight 15 pounds 9 ounces.

REgards,

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