Author Topic: Carrydown Solutions? (Read 4792 times)

Mike E · « **on:** June 05, 2003, 04:54:53 AM »

Lately in summer leagues I have had a lot of trouble with carrydown.Not having a lot of experience dealing with it I was curious to know what approaches others have tried and been successful with? Reactives seem to just glide thru the breakpoint. Are particles the answer? Urethane maybe? Square up the shot more? Your suggestions and experiences would help.

Thanks,
Mike E
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channel surfer · « **Reply #1 on:** June 05, 2003, 07:57:20 PM »

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Curly · « **Reply #2 on:** June 05, 2003, 09:01:42 PM »

Why, a LANE1 Blueberry Buzzsaw sanded to 800!

charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** June 05, 2003, 09:33:23 PM »

It's not resins that are the problem nor are particles necessarily the solution. As is the most common sensical approach, you need more ball surface at the backend or you need to move more to the outside, depending ont he degree of carrydown, IF CARRYDOWN IS THE PROBLEM.

Most, but not all particle ball, SEEM to have more surface or a more grippy surface, but again, that is not alwyas the case.

In the most simplistic solution, you may simply need to add a little surface to the ball you are currently using (via any of several different ways: sandpaper, trizact, or a sanding liquid, like Neo-Tac's Hook-it or Liquid Sandpaper) or use a ball with more flare at the backend, like many of Morich's ball's do.

There are several varieties of this solution.

Bjaardker · « **Reply #4 on:** June 05, 2003, 11:07:49 PM »

It really depends on the carrydown & the dryness of the heads.

If the heads are dry (as can be common with carrydown) you will find a particle will tend to hook at your feet.

2 suggestions:

1) Flatten out the wrist & play down & in. I highly advocate that everyone learns this as a "b" or "c" game since taking the lane conditions "out of play" can work wonders.

2) I tend to disagree with the previous poster on urethanes hitting weak on carrydown. A nicely dulled burgandy hammer going up the boards, or on the twig can get in its roll early & hit pretty darn hard.

Tex · « **Reply #5 on:** June 05, 2003, 11:13:49 PM »

If I am paying attention to what is going on and sometimes my head is somewhere other than the lanes. I generally have a couple of ways I try to handle carrydown and sometimes neither works. If the carrydown seems to be in a small area, I try to either move my breakpoint either outside or inside that point with outside being my preference. This may take adjusting everything to the right ( I am right handed). If I have to move in, then the carrydown may become an out of bounds and that can be worse than making a different adjustment.My second choice and one that has working many times is to go to a ball that is drilled to roll earlier. In my case I have an old Timberwolf that is drilled with the pin at 2 3/4" and the MB just to the left of the thumb. This ball gives me an early roll with a hook set reaction. This way the ball is in a roll and has already made its move towards the pocket before it reaches the carrydown. I have used it lightly sanded or lightly polished with good results with both depending on the volume of oil on the lanes and the amount of carrydown. I also have another ball that was a blem and is bottom weighted that gives me this type of reaction that has worked well. One other ball change that has worked a couple of times was using an old Chaos that really sucks oil off of the lane and opening up a shot that allows me to get around and through the carrydown, really has only worked a couple times.

DON DRAPER · « **Reply #6 on:** June 05, 2003, 11:42:19 PM »

the best two ways to attack carrydown are FRICTION and ROLL. a ball with a dull surface will bite the lane better and give more traction. forward roll as opposed to side turn will allow the ball to hit better.

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #7 on:** June 06, 2003, 08:17:23 AM »

I have battled this all year!!!

On the left our carrydown has been a little different!

Lots of head oil and carrydown.

First move is with the feet! To the right for righties, to the left for lefties.
Up to 8 to 10 boards at our house.

I have found a few balls helped me on this shot.

Reaction Rev, (particle), EZ Money,(particle) and AMF Evolution Extra!

Pye · « **Reply #8 on:** June 06, 2003, 09:55:57 AM »

While the ball will have a lot to do with how it handles carrydown, the drill on the ball is going to really be the answer as to how well it gets back to the pocket through the junk pushed down the lane.

Check out this article:

http://www.bowlersjournal.com/instruction/archive/bg-bonus.htm

From everything he says here it looks like a stacked leverage ball is going to be the drill your looking for to combat carrydown. That is if the heads are going away. If you still have head oil and push an axis leverage may be the ticket.

What do you think?

MI 2 AZ · « **Reply #9 on:** June 06, 2003, 10:24:58 AM »

I dont think there is any one 'fix' for this because of all the variables involved. There have been many good suggestions offered here so far. Try them and see which works best for you, keeping in mind that because of the variables, it may not work each and every time, you will probably have to try some of the other ideas offered.

For me, what Greg Hoppe, Bjaardker, and LuckyLefty suggested (more surface, more roll, more direct angle) works for me most of the time. I have also found a particle ball to be the answer sometimes.

The reason I dont think there is only one correct solution is otherwise we all would have learned of it by now.

omegabowler · « **Reply #10 on:** June 06, 2003, 10:38:53 AM »

Beside line adjustments, the best balls I like in a carrydown situation are pearl particle light load drilled for a late arc. medium flare. patters depend on the balls flare. a high flare ball I go with a 5x2 with the pin under or over the finger depending on core and low flare balls are stacked 4x4 or 3-3/8 depending on the shell.
I tend to have an inverted ball track that is high.

right now I have a visionary purple ice drill somewhat 4x4. it flares about 2". It get through the heads ok if there is some skid and turns hard from the midlane. it doesn't even notice carrydown.

I have seen people use The freakout and tear up my house when carrydown happens.

I have also used a strong pearl ball, the red executioner. drill for max flare. on burt heads and light oil carrydown, it would get skid and turn up at the midlane before the carry down.

There are only a few choices to handle carrydown.

go around it or turn up before it. after is usually not a good solution as your ball will make its turn at a different spot everytime.

this is why I prefer a arcing ball. If you get into the carrydown you can still recover enough and leave a makable spare/ washout. I find skid snap you leave me with unmakeable junk when it over-reacts on the dry that late on the lane. If you have no turn you may want a stronger ball but I would still stick with a arcing layout.

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NevadaBowl · « **Reply #11 on:** June 06, 2003, 12:55:59 PM »

It has already been mentioned that there are no real concrete answers because so much relies upon the lane condition, etc.

When I start running into carry-down, my immediate thought is to move my line to the right. Usually the dry stuff is to the right of the line people are running, so I normally will move that way. The idea is to go around the carry-down line.

The other option, as was mentioned here, is to change to a particle ball that matches up with the resin ball you are already using. This was my problem last night. I left my particle ball in the trunk figuring "I won't need it at THIS house". Guess what?

Triple X · « **Reply #12 on:** June 06, 2003, 01:48:38 PM »

Omegabowler,

When you mentioned on your reply about this:
(the best balls I like in a carrydown situation are pearl particle light load drilled for a late arc. medium flare)

Do you think the new X Factor Reloaded(particle pearl) will be a good one for carrydown with storm drilling layout # 2 with the pin 4 1/4 from pap & cg kicked out to the right?

Thanks,
Triple X

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #13 on:** June 06, 2003, 03:30:17 PM »

Just to follow up on my answer.

Computer was acting weird!

EZ Money and Rev If I can move left(outside for me).
Work Great!

AMF EVO Tour with extreme mass bias and backend, is stronger at just the back and allows me to handle carrydown when there is wet outside. (IT can make a very strong move in a very confinded area). Others require a little room(symmetrical).

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS If you are bowling on the wrong side and get dry heads with carrydown there is nothing I can do about that!!!!

omegabowler · « **Reply #14 on:** June 06, 2003, 04:09:35 PM »

Triple X,

I have had good success with storm's pearl particle balls. The super pearl power was my favorite ball when I was throwing 16# equipment. I don't know the ball specs but the cg kicked out layouts have become my favorite drill pattern. They allow me to come up the back of the ball for later smaller reactions or come around it and create a more angular look (not skid/snap).

if you like the ball the go for it. Some drill experts like charlet,brian O, T_God and a regular host of other know way more than me. on picking out balls for others

I have just added a particle ball with that type layout and some thumb weight for heavy sport shots.

I basically have adopted a simple theory for ball selection. I want 3 main balls. All drilled to have medium arc reaction usually means 2-3 inches of flair. I let me driller suggest the patterns. Each is drilled and surface prepped to give me three lengths at the breakpoint.

I carry a plastic for spares and the gives me room for 2 more in the bag to give me a different look on the conditions I see most. Either a ball with a bigger backend for real deep or bone dry heads. Or if I'm going to tournament I throw in a 2 pieced polished to hell urethane drilled 1x1.

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