Post by: Mike E on June 05, 2003, 04:54:53 AM
Thanks,
Mike E
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Post by: Curly on June 05, 2003, 09:01:42 PM
Post by: charlest on June 05, 2003, 09:33:23 PM
Most, but not all particle ball, SEEM to have more surface or a more grippy surface, but again, that is not alwyas the case.
In the most simplistic solution, you may simply need to add a little surface to the ball you are currently using (via any of several different ways: sandpaper, trizact, or a sanding liquid, like Neo-Tac's Hook-it or Liquid Sandpaper) or use a ball with more flare at the backend, like many of Morich's ball's do.
There are several varieties of this solution.
Post by: Bjaardker on June 05, 2003, 11:07:49 PM
If the heads are dry (as can be common with carrydown) you will find a particle will tend to hook at your feet.
2 suggestions:
1) Flatten out the wrist & play down & in. I highly advocate that everyone learns this as a "b" or "c" game since taking the lane conditions "out of play" can work wonders.
2) I tend to disagree with the previous poster on urethanes hitting weak on carrydown. A nicely dulled burgandy hammer going up the boards, or on the twig can get in its roll early & hit pretty darn hard.
Post by: Tex on June 05, 2003, 11:13:49 PM
Post by: DON DRAPER on June 05, 2003, 11:42:19 PM
Post by: LuckyLefty on June 06, 2003, 08:17:23 AM
On the left our carrydown has been a little different!
Lots of head oil and carrydown.
First move is with the feet! To the right for righties, to the left for lefties.
Up to 8 to 10 boards at our house.
I have found a few balls helped me on this shot.
Reaction Rev, (particle), EZ Money,(particle) and AMF Evolution Extra!
Post by: Pye on June 06, 2003, 09:55:57 AM
Check out this article:
http://www.bowlersjournal.com/instruction/archive/bg-bonus.htm
From everything he says here it looks like a stacked leverage ball is going to be the drill your looking for to combat carrydown. That is if the heads are going away. If you still have head oil and push an axis leverage may be the ticket.
What do you think?
Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 06, 2003, 10:24:58 AM
For me, what Greg Hoppe, Bjaardker, and LuckyLefty suggested (more surface, more roll, more direct angle) works for me most of the time. I have also found a particle ball to be the answer sometimes.
The reason I dont think there is only one correct solution is otherwise we all would have learned of it by now.
Post by: omegabowler on June 06, 2003, 10:38:53 AM
I tend to have an inverted ball track that is high.
right now I have a visionary purple ice drill somewhat 4x4. it flares about 2". It get through the heads ok if there is some skid and turns hard from the midlane. it doesn't even notice carrydown.
I have seen people use The freakout and tear up my house when carrydown happens.
I have also used a strong pearl ball, the red executioner. drill for max flare. on burt heads and light oil carrydown, it would get skid and turn up at the midlane before the carry down.
There are only a few choices to handle carrydown.
go around it or turn up before it. after is usually not a good solution as your ball will make its turn at a different spot everytime.
this is why I prefer a arcing ball. If you get into the carrydown you can still recover enough and leave a makable spare/ washout. I find skid snap you leave me with unmakeable junk when it over-reacts on the dry that late on the lane. If you have no turn you may want a stronger ball but I would still stick with a arcing layout.
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Post by: NevadaBowl on June 06, 2003, 12:55:59 PM
When I start running into carry-down, my immediate thought is to move my line to the right. Usually the dry stuff is to the right of the line people are running, so I normally will move that way. The idea is to go around the carry-down line.
The other option, as was mentioned here, is to change to a particle ball that matches up with the resin ball you are already using. This was my problem last night. I left my particle ball in the trunk figuring "I won't need it at THIS house". Guess what?
Post by: Triple X on June 06, 2003, 01:48:38 PM
When you mentioned on your reply about this:
(the best balls I like in a carrydown situation are pearl particle light load drilled for a late arc. medium flare)
Do you think the new X Factor Reloaded(particle pearl) will be a good one for carrydown with storm drilling layout # 2 with the pin 4 1/4 from pap & cg kicked out to the right?
Thanks,
Triple X
Post by: LuckyLefty on June 06, 2003, 03:30:17 PM
Computer was acting weird!
EZ Money and Rev If I can move left(outside for me).
Work Great!
AMF EVO Tour with extreme mass bias and backend, is stronger at just the back and allows me to handle carrydown when there is wet outside. (IT can make a very strong move in a very confinded area). Others require a little room(symmetrical).
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS If you are bowling on the wrong side and get dry heads with carrydown there is nothing I can do about that!!!!
Post by: omegabowler on June 06, 2003, 04:09:35 PM
I have had good success with storm's pearl particle balls. The super pearl power was my favorite ball when I was throwing 16# equipment. I don't know the ball specs but the cg kicked out layouts have become my favorite drill pattern. They allow me to come up the back of the ball for later smaller reactions or come around it and create a more angular look (not skid/snap).
if you like the ball the go for it. Some drill experts like charlet,brian O, T_God and a regular host of other know way more than me. on picking out balls for others
I have just added a particle ball with that type layout and some thumb weight for heavy sport shots.
I basically have adopted a simple theory for ball selection. I want 3 main balls. All drilled to have medium arc reaction usually means 2-3 inches of flair. I let me driller suggest the patterns. Each is drilled and surface prepped to give me three lengths at the breakpoint.
I carry a plastic for spares and the gives me room for 2 more in the bag to give me a different look on the conditions I see most. Either a ball with a bigger backend for real deep or bone dry heads. Or if I'm going to tournament I throw in a 2 pieced polished to hell urethane drilled 1x1.
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Post by: 10 In The Pit on June 07, 2003, 12:20:46 AM
Even though you have several options open, the easiest one would be to make a move towards the outside of the lane and play a little bit more square down the boards. But, if you are using a polished reactive resin ball, then considering dulling down the surface somewhat will make the ball more steady in carrydown situations. And of course, a dull particle ball is always an option....but it might be too aggressive for you, depending on what line you prefer to play.
Any way you go about it, a polished reactive resin ball is going to be skittish on carrydown....the carrydown has the same effect as extending the oil length down the lane somewhat, which lengthens out the breakpoint of the ball (delaying the hook).
Myself, I primarily use dull particle equipment to start with, so you know what my personal recommendation would be. However, I also realize that dull particle equipment does not work well for everybody. In fact, dull particle stuff can hurt some bowler's game, depending a lot on the lane conditions that are present.
I guess that there is no perfect answer here. Just pick out one of the options that sounds good to you, and give it a try. If changing the surface texture of your ball is done and you don't like what you find, you can always have it polished back up again.
Post by: Ric Clint on June 07, 2003, 08:18:44 PM
It was reccommended to me to use a ScreamR but with a 2000 grit sanded coverstock (instead of polished).
This ball was recommended to me for when the heads start to dry up and there's some carrydown, NOT for when there's oil in the heads and carrydown (because for this condition, I would use a dull particle ball).
Now I know that it's a pearl ball which is bad for when there is Carrydown, but the guy's logic was this: The guy said that by sanding it "up" to 2000 grit would help get the ball through the Medium/Dry heads and the sanded cover would also help in Carrydown.
Anybody agree???
Edited on 6/7/2003 8:23 PM
Post by: Mike E on June 08, 2003, 07:57:49 AM
Thanks again,
Mike E
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Post by: RooCat on June 08, 2003, 11:47:49 AM
Unfortunately, this year saw mostly very dry heads and short oil at best with dry backends. I've gone to the other extreme almost solely using plastic or a Scout pearl. I'd love to see oil again. Wipe the ball off? Why? Where's the oil?
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Post by: T-GOD on June 09, 2003, 05:05:04 PM
By throwing it more right, you throw it outside of the carry down to where the dry boards normally are, and the ball will hook back. "YOU" will need to know how to hook the ball. A polished reacitve ball will work better than a particle ball. =:^D
Post by: Bjaardker on June 09, 2003, 05:41:15 PM
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When the oil carries down, you would think moving to the right with your feet is the way to go. But, normally it's not. Moving left and throwing more right is normally the move that works best.
By throwing it more right, you throw it outside of the carry down to where the dry boards normally are, and the ball will hook back. "YOU" will need to know how to hook the ball. A polished reacitve ball will work better than a particle ball. =:^D
One caveat to that T-god, you have to have enough revs to get the ball back.
I unfortunatly either dont have enough revs, or am too inconsistant when trying to crank it that much.
Post by: Aristotle on June 09, 2003, 05:48:58 PM
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Post by: Bjaardker on June 10, 2003, 09:33:19 PM
That assumes that you can afford to buy yet another bowling ball.
Currently I know I have a major hole in my arsenal by not having a light-medium load particle to roll early or cut oil with.
But unless someone is willing to donate one to me it will be many months before I get such a thing.
Until then I will continue to use either my Burgandy hammer, or slightly dulled voodoo when the carrydown gets really bad.