Author Topic: Carrying the corner pins. (Read 7672 times)

Martin710 · « **on:** December 31, 2008, 12:47:24 AM »

I would like to know what the good bowlers here do to prevent leaving corner pins too often. I know that were are not machines and that we lack precision at times and this is why we sometimes leave corner pins but often even with a perfect throw, you'l leave a corner pin (more often the 10 pin for a right hander). Some people say: move to the right, others say move up a few inches, others say move back on the approach or even change balls. When leaving the 10 pin, I usually move one board to the right but then I will sometimes leave the 7 pin. I would like the gurus of this site to tell me their technique.

Martin.

Xcessive_Evil · « **Reply #1 on:** December 31, 2008, 08:50:18 AM »

For me it depends.

If it's a flat 10, I'll move 1-1 1/2 boards left.

If it's a ringing 10, I'll move 1-1 1/2 boards right.

It has to happen a couple of times for me to even think about making a move. I don't move up or down. It may work for others, but not me.
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Phoneman · « **Reply #2 on:** December 31, 2008, 09:09:20 AM »

This is what makes this game great I actually make the opposite moves from Xcessive for each of those type of leaves also it has to happen more than once for me to make a move.

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #3 on:** December 31, 2008, 09:19:46 AM »

I have heard a secret....

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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #4 on:** December 31, 2008, 09:20:32 AM »

I have sometimes moved even before leaving a 10 pin, and it usually was the right adjustment. If you watch the way the 6 pin hits the 10, you can tell if you're threatening to leave a weak 10 in the next few frames as the lanes start changing. When I see the 6 just barely slapping out the 10 because the ball is starting to go just a little too long, I'll soften up my speed slightly, move a couple boards right, or focus on getting the ball into an earlier roll with my release. (Likewise, if I start getting late trips on the 4, I won't wait until I leave a couple of them in a row to make my adjustment!)

I usually don't leave very many 10 pins because I'm very attentive of entry angle and how the pins are reacting. However, that doesn't mean that some nights I just can't get the right look and I'll leave a ton of corner pins. (Especially on Saturday nights at Executive Strike & Spare, jeez it's hard to get the 10 pin out in that house sometimes...) Some days you just can't carry no matter what you do it seems like.

Necromancer · « **Reply #5 on:** December 31, 2008, 09:46:23 AM »

I rarely leave corner pins. At most I will leave the 10 pin 3 times a game. Usually I will leave the 4 pin or 9 pin because my hooking power on THS is sick. If I leave the 10 pins, I usually end the game with a 180 LOL. If I don't leave 10 pins I will hit 220+ with ease.

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Zack Pelton300 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 31, 2008, 11:41:46 AM »

on corners it depends on how I leave it. If I wrap it i will move 2 and 1 left. If I flat ten I move 2 and 1 to the right. (on a house shot, pba patterns are a little diffrent)
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #7 on:** January 01, 2009, 08:38:11 AM »

Necro....if you are constantly leaving 4s and 9s you are probably set up to have too much backend for a top hat!

Adjust finger position ala Ron Clifton tips or adjust drillings decreasing mass bias strong to a more arc position under the thumb, or 3rd less flippy cores.
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Z Jellsey · « **Reply #8 on:** January 01, 2009, 09:18:37 AM »

There really is no right answer for this question. I have done all different things such as move a board or 2 either way, change balls, spin it more or less, move 2 arrows. I mean, for me it's all about feel. Sometimes just simply "throwing it better" gets it done.

Like Dan said, sometimes your carry is just gonna flat out suck!

thegame · « **Reply #9 on:** January 01, 2009, 10:47:55 PM »

It depends for me as well. The main two things I will try are changing balls, or slowing down my speed just a bit. It's really just a feel thing, depending on how the ball is reacting, and what type of pattern it is. If I feel the ball is rolling out a bit, and losing energy it will definitely be a ball change. If I think it may be more because the ball is coming through the breakpoint a bit slow, and coming into the pocket behind the head pin a bit, it will probably be stay with the same ball, and slow the speed down just a bit, and maybe move in a board if I have to. I've talked to some very good bowlers who are firm believers in moving up or back a bit on the approach because that is less likely to change your line to the pocket, but that has never really worked for me that well. The bottom line is you want to make sure you're using a ball that is saving as much energy as possible, and still get you to the pocket, from there you have your adjustments options narrowed down a bit.

pate08 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 01, 2009, 11:16:41 PM »

quote:
I rarely leave corner pins. At most I will leave the 10 pin 3 times a game. Usually I will leave the 4 pin or 9 pin because my hooking power on THS is sick. If I leave the 10 pins, I usually end the game with a 180 LOL. If I don't leave 10 pins I will hit 220+ with ease.
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That's probably because you throw your ball to the friction. If your rev rate is as high as you say it is you don't need a lot of friction to get your ball to hook, instead you should play the oil line and have the friction to the right of you. When you are leaving 4's and 9's your ball is coming in too much sideways, which is why you should play the oil instead of the dry.
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KingofKings696 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 01, 2009, 11:23:39 PM »

I use ball changes to get the reaction I need. When that doesnt work I will just simply stay where I can consistantly leave single pin spares and pick up the spare and hope for the strike.

Spider Ball Bowler · « **Reply #12 on:** January 01, 2009, 11:45:05 PM »

I never keep moving and changing. In the world of THS consecutive spares do you no good. It's the difference between shooting 269 and winning the pot or 258 and finishing just as good as the guy that shot 145.

I am constantly moving my feet east and west, never north and south. I like to keep my game as simple as I can, so lining up in the same place depth wise on the approach is the way for me to go.

As far as the adjustments I make, if I'm leaving 7 pins consistently I'll move to my left 1/2 board at a time. However sometimes, the adjustment calls for moving right 2-3 boards and creating more angle. If I throw a good shot and come high and trip or leave a 6 or 8, I'm moving half a board to my right.

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janderson · « **Reply #13 on:** January 02, 2009, 08:30:59 AM »

As previously stated, there is no single correct answer. Any and all of the adjustments previous mentioned can work depending on the bowler and the environment.

Martin710 - your best bet for adjusting out the corner pins (or any leaves for that matter) is to gain a better understanding of why you leave them. Then you can learn which adjustment or adjustments can be effective based on the environment in which you're bowling.

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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #14 on:** January 04, 2009, 04:51:39 PM »

Necro??

Any help here?

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Martin710

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