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CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« on: April 18, 2007, 12:10:11 PM »
The CGNOMADDAH video is up and running on www.brunsnick.com

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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #181 on: April 24, 2007, 10:56:07 PM »
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I'll try my best to breathe new life into this stale topic:




How about trying to stay a little more on topic then?
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The topic is does cg position matter?  The test was done with a core symmetrical on two axes.  What if the test was done with a core that was only symmetrical on one axis, like the Fury?
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #182 on: April 25, 2007, 12:41:55 AM »
I missed were Nick answered my comment on the Fury.  Could you supply a quote?
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #183 on: April 25, 2007, 12:50:41 AM »
Mike

Thank you for the support.

And to back up, somewhat, of what Mike has said, he was a recent invitee to the Brunswick Pro Shop Symposium, which brings together the most knowledgeable pro shop operators in the country and ask them their views of the industry, where it is going and help in leading us, Brunswick as a company, to be a better supporter of the game. As he stated, eloquently I might add, we are very passionate of what we do and do get defensive when 'arm chair' pro shop operators criticize us. We invest numerous, sometimes unthankful hours learning and educating bowlers of ALL levels. And we take pride in that. Call it thin skinned, we call it pride.

Again, off my soap box.





I now understand why I wasn't invited to the Brunswick Pro Shop Symposium. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I'm either not knowledgeable enough or don't sell enough Brunswick product for y'alls liking.

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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #184 on: April 25, 2007, 01:05:17 AM »
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k - is the ball asymetrical?

if so, question answered..
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It is 2 sided symmetrical, not 4 sided.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #185 on: April 25, 2007, 01:13:22 AM »
Maybe the way I'm stating this idea is confusing.  If you take a ball with a light bulb core, put the pin at the top and cut it in half the resulting section would be the same as if you spun it 45 degrees with the pin still on top and cut it.  Now if you took the Torsion core or the Rocket core and did the same thing the cross-sections would not be the same depending on whether you hit the wide or narrow portion of these symmetrical cores.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #186 on: April 25, 2007, 03:12:12 AM »
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This is probably because your funky voodoo spin has written it's own set of the laws of physics, j/k....


I like that voodoo spin, can I use that???
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #187 on: April 25, 2007, 03:24:39 AM »
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I now understand why I wasn't invited to the Brunswick Pro Shop Symposium. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I'm either not knowledgeable enough or don't sell enough Brunswick product for y'alls liking.


Wasted, each Product Rep invited one pro shop guy from his territory.  Rob Law invited me that year.  Think it was spring of 2005.  I didn't get to go again in 2006 or 2007, there were a couple guys from up north that had been before.  Ask your rep, if you get a chance to go it is awesome.  Of course, you don't get to tour the production facility any longer since it is in Mexico, that place is gigantic and they had whole buildings that they weren't even using.  I got to see a line of Time Zones about 40 yards long!  They were first class in every facet, and them Big B Boys know how to have some fun too!  I got to help decide the color of the Intense Inferno.  The colors were that and what later became the Absolute Inferno.  That was cool.  They never did come out with the solid black Target Zone though, all the pro shop guys liked that idea.  Jeff McCorvey was there, he has like 10 shops in Alabama.  Keith Spears was there, owner of like 6 shops in Florida and bowlingball.com.  Billy O is cool, the Throbot is sweet.  Bill Wasserberger is a smart dude.  Met some other VP's and such, that trip made be a Big B fan for life!!!

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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #188 on: April 25, 2007, 12:09:28 PM »
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Maybe the way I'm stating this idea is confusing.  If you take a ball with a light bulb core, put the pin at the top and cut it in half the resulting section would be the same as if you spun it 45 degrees with the pin still on top and cut it.  Now if you took the Torsion core or the Rocket core and did the same thing the cross-sections would not be the same depending on whether you hit the wide or narrow portion of these symmetrical cores.
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Cgnomaddah guys frantically PMing each other because nobody has an answer yet?
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #189 on: April 25, 2007, 01:26:38 PM »
Here's what I'm getting at:
Low Rg = core heavy, High rg = cover heavy
Taller core = Low Rg, Thicker cover = High Rg

In an asymmetrical ball the axis where the core is the tallest, the pin, is the low Rg of the ball.  The axis where the core is the smallest, the PSA or mass bias, is the high Rg of the ball.  The line between the two, the line of most resistance is where the Rg climbs the fastest from low to high.  This is how an asymmetrical ball works.  As your axis(PAP) migrates towards this line, Rg increases and the ball fights revving up.  Once it crosses this line, Rg decreases and the ball revs up easily.

Now you say I'm getting off topic, but take a look at the Rocket core:

 http://www.ballreviews.com/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ManufacterID=2&BallID=769

The portions of the core with the "fins" are wider than the portions without.  The Rg is higher in the portions between the fins.  As your axis migrates towards one of these fins, is will rev easily.  Once it passes one of these fins, it will resist revving until it hits the center of the non-fin area.  If the fins are located at 0, 90, 180, and 270 degrees, then a 90 degrees shift of the core will give you almost the same orientation.  A 45 degree shift, on the other hand, will maximize the change in orientation.

In his experiment, Nick used a ball with a diamond core and no I hope you can see the mistake in choosing that ball.  He chose a ball that supports his main defense, spinning the ball around with the pin constant won't change orientation much.  The problem is that not every symmetrical ball follows this rule.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #190 on: April 25, 2007, 02:08:23 PM »
kman,

What if I told you that a ball doesn't recognize core shape going down the lane, only RG #s and Differential #s?
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #191 on: April 25, 2007, 02:27:26 PM »
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What if I told you that a ball doesn't recognize core shape going down the lane, only RG #s and Differential #s?
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I'd say that I have been better informed than you.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #192 on: April 25, 2007, 02:30:15 PM »
I think you are going to need more college courses in physics and dynamics than I have had to begin to argue with the statement I have made.  Saying "cgnomaddah" and waving your hands isn't going to explain your way through this.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #193 on: April 25, 2007, 02:31:39 PM »
kman,

I am with you on this for now, coz I still exploring and waiting for answer from Big B.  I believe in CG and static don't matter, but core orientation on some cores could make a diff, which I have seen and just that I cannot find out why yet.

So that you know I own a Determinator, I spun a undrilled Fury for 5 full minutes, the ball never stablise.  So it spin symmetrically.  After drilled?  that lies the questions.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #194 on: April 25, 2007, 02:38:07 PM »
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What if I told you that a ball doesn't recognize core shape going down the lane, only RG #s and Differential #s?
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I'd say that I have been better informed than you.
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Actually, I was quoting Bill Wasserberger.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #195 on: April 25, 2007, 02:38:56 PM »
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kman,

I am with you on this for now, coz I still exploring and waiting for answer from Big B.  I believe in CG and static don't matter, but core orientation on some cores could make a diff, which I have seen and just that I cannot find out why yet.

So that you know I own a Determinator, I spun a undrilled Fury for 5 full minutes, the ball never stablise.  So it spin symmetrically.  After drilled?  that lies the questions.
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I don't expect a PSA to show up on a Fury or a Mammoth.  In an assymetrical ball, there is one possible high Rg axis.  That is why it shows up.  On the rocket core, the symmetry provides two axes where the Rg is higher.  Therefore it should not spin up.  I having trouble picturing the Torsion core in 3-D, but it too has more than one higher axis possible.
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