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CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« on: April 18, 2007, 12:10:11 PM »
The CGNOMADDAH video is up and running on www.brunsnick.com

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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2007, 08:43:11 AM »
Nick, I think I figured out what you were trying to prove.  Let me see if I have it right:


Okay. That means that our whole solar system could be, like one tiny atom in the fingernail of some other giant being.
 
This is too much!
                 
That means, one tiny atom in my fingernail could be, could be one little...tiny universe.

Could I buy some pot from you?

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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2007, 08:47:31 AM »
Nick,

Loved the video. Your results are probably very accurate for this day and age. But I think back in the day when reactives first came out and the oil was completly different; there might have been some validity to what some of the old schoolers said. Back in those days, the core mattered more than the coverstock. Nowadays, the coverstock has 60 or more percent of the reaction shape of a ball.

Good vids!

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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2007, 11:31:23 AM »
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The whole point of this video is to prove that "kicking out the CG" is a dated idea that has absolutely no effect on a bowling ball.  



Kicking the CG out does matter once you put the hole in the proper spot to tweak reaction. I do not believe that is being contested at all.
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You're suggesting an X hole which drills our part of the core.  This is the only reason drilling a hole matters.  You're changing the symmetric nature of the core  so it's going to rotate off balance.

However, a couple ounces of top weight (CG), anywhere on your ball, isn't going to make the slightest difference than any practical bowler can tell.  "Kicking out the CG" doesn't do ANYTHING.  Nothing any bowler on Earth would notice, anyways.

The coverstock and core dictate so much of the balls reaction that the effect of side weight or top weight are drowned out, unless it was some obscene amount that's unrealistic.

A hole only matters if it's drilled into the core.

Kicking out the CG never changes anything, ever, at all, with modern bowling balls.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2007, 11:35:01 AM »
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The whole point of this video is to prove that "kicking out the CG" is a dated idea that has absolutely no effect on a bowling ball.  



Kicking the CG out does matter once you put the hole in the proper spot to tweak reaction. I do not believe that is being contested at all.
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You're suggesting an X hole which drills our part of the core.  This is the only reason drilling a hole matters.  You're changing the symmetric nature of the core  so it's going to rotate off balance.

However, a couple ounces of top weight (CG), anywhere on your ball, isn't going to make the slightest difference than any practical bowler can tell.  "Kicking out the CG" doesn't do ANYTHING.  Nothing any bowler on Earth would notice, anyways.

The coverstock and core dictate so much of the balls reaction that the effect of side weight or top weight are drowned out, unless it was some obscene amount that's unrealistic.

A hole only matters if it's drilled into the core.

Kicking out the CG never changes anything, ever, at all, with modern bowling balls.


what about a targeted weight hole that doesnt hit the core

two balls pin under ring ball one cg in palm, ball two cg out.  I dont think you could put any kind of x hole in each of them and duplicte the reaction

yes x hole removes mass but it also "MOVES" the mass somewhere else thus changing the STATICS that everyone says doenst matter
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2007, 11:50:55 AM »
Nick: First, I want to compliment you on the quality of the videos you put out. If your bowling related career ever flames out, you have some other skills to fall back on. Anyway, nice effort.

OK, enough of the fluff.

If the purpose of your video is to give your Brunswick Posse something to giggle about between naps, you succeeded. If your purpose is to provide conclusive evidence that CGNOMADDAH, you didn't achieve the goal. Here is some of my reasoning:

 
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But but but...the lanes had oil!! They would show a difference on dry conditions, so therefore this test was pointless!!


Raven may not get it (or want to admit it), but most of us know that a fresh shot with clean backends can make almost all balls react the same. I can go up and practice on fresh Saturday morning Junior oil, and throw everything ranging from a Stinger Low-Flare to a Stacked Super Carbide Bomb and get almost the same reaction.
 
 
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Hard to tell much since the shots you threw were so inconsistent. Either that or the cg makes such a huge difference that it causes one to roll early and go no further than 8, while other get a lot more length and drift the whole way out to 3.


Nails brought up an excellent point here -- you're not Throwbot. I could tell you were making an honest attempt at being consistent as possible, but there were still variations that prevent taking anything to the bank.

A few other notes: Using a high-RG polished pearl is probably not the best choice for this kind of test. Mid-lane reaction is what you want to really compare with the different drills, and skid/flip equipment does not allow for the best comparison. Also, one of the cool things about the original Brunswick video was the display of oil rings on the respective test balls -- that told a story in and of itself. It would have been beneficial for you to do the same, but even if you did, it would have been tough to see the flare pattern on a shinny multi-colored shell.

Still, it was amusing to watch. And that Lane#1 ball actually rolled better off your hand than some of the Brunswick stuff you throw. Maybe you should consider a switch.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2007, 11:59:40 AM »
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Nick, I think I figured out what you were trying to prove.  Let me see if I have it right:


Okay. That means that our whole solar system could be, like one tiny atom in the fingernail of some other giant being.
 
This is too much!
                 
That means, one tiny atom in my fingernail could be, could be one little...tiny universe.

Could I buy some pot from you?

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LMAO!

 Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

continue on to your regularly scheduled post...
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2007, 12:12:39 PM »
Nick, you do make nice videos. But, the point you're trying to prove was not accomplished.

As stated earlier, the ball needs ot be grabbing the lane for the weights to kick in. You were obviously bowling on higher amounts of oil, with a ball that goes long on top of that. The ball never reached it's full potential, as witnessed by the lack of hook when you're trying to hook the whole lane. On a dry lane, those balls will hook quite a bit and recover quite nicely from deep inside.

Remember, if the ball isn't hooking/gripping the lane, weights won't even come into play. You proved that quite well in your video.

Next time, try sanding the ball, use a more hooking ball and/or have shorter/less oil on the lanes.

Until then, the results are still inconclusive..!! =:^D
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2007, 12:24:16 PM »
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Even when done with a throwbot, the results were the same. When the oil broke down, the balls were consistantly reacting the same way.


DeadFlush: Actually, in the Brunswick video, 'positive' shot #7 went through the nose, and 'negative' shot #8 was a pocket strike. From this (and evidence from the flare ring patterns), I can't conclude the results were the same.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2007, 12:25:38 PM »
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[..] Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

continue on to your regularly scheduled post...
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Germany never ever bombed Pearl Habor... that were the Japanese...
... lmao ...

But we did Bomb London if you mean that...

So... now it's my turn:

This Vid is showing me nothing... the Brunswick's is...
Well ok I admit one thing is show.. how consistend Nick can play and how the HRG should not be played except you want to learn how to shoot these splits.

Imho all people complaining that Lane#1 Equipment is crap should be aware that all ball produced before the HRG were poured by Brunswick and are with Brunswick Coverstocks...

And last but not least.. please folks keep cool.. I like Nick's Vids and his tech-vids! Those showed me and explained a lot to me. But this time I am very disapointed.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2007, 12:33:37 PM »
When will we all be able to shut up about "x" mattering upon "x" conditions with "x" drill/weighthole on "x" surface with "x" oil and "x" amount of traction in "x" part of the lane.

You all sound so silly.  If the ball rolls well in your hand on whatever condition you're facing, does it really matter how tweaked out your drilling is?  All I care about in my ball reaction is how it reads the lane and the end result.  

So keep fine tuning your C.G./X-hole placements and racking your brains until 4 in the morning about how another 1/8th shift of the C.G. and x-hole placement might influence the reaction on your ball.  The rest of the bowlers who are running circles around you will be busy hitting a mark with the right coverstock in their hands and taking your money.

In conclusion, scores matter.  What you use to achieve these scores isn't really that big of an issue.
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« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2007, 12:45:42 PM »
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When will we all be able to shut up about "x" mattering upon "x" conditions with "x" drill/weighthole on "x" surface with "x" oil and "x" amount of traction in "x" part of the lane.

You all sound so silly.  If the ball rolls well in your hand on whatever condition you're facing, does it really matter how tweaked out your drilling is?  All I care about in my ball reaction is how it reads the lane and the end result.  

So keep fine tuning your C.G./X-hole placements and racking your brains until 4 in the morning about how another 1/8th shift of the C.G. and x-hole placement might influence the reaction on your ball.  The rest of the bowlers who are running circles around you will be busy hitting a mark with the right coverstock in their hands and taking your money.

In conclusion, scores matter.  What you use to achieve these scores isn't really that big of an issue.
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good point you got there... I agree.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2007, 01:03:24 PM »
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Hey, did you know that there are people that still believe that the earth is flat?
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2007, 01:05:16 PM »
and im hangin with the man in the moon right now...he told me to tell nick nice video....
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2007, 01:13:40 PM »
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[..] Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

continue on to your regularly scheduled post...
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Germany never ever bombed Pearl Habor... that were the Japanese...
... lmao ...

But we did Bomb London if you mean that...


That was from the movie Animal House...
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #45 on: April 19, 2007, 01:48:57 PM »
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Hey, did you know that there are people that still believe that the earth is flat?

The moon landing in '69 was staged?


DeadFlush: I guess all the problems pointed out:

1) Brunswick video - Different reactions when the shot started breaking down ( the real test for measuring reaction), and differences in ring flare patterns

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2) BrunsNick Video - Wrong pattern (too much oil, friction is what tells the story), coupled with the wrong core/cover combination (high RG w/ not enough surface)

are just inconvenient truths? Nick/Ric 'speculated' on the glitches from the Brunswick video. Now you're getting into 'earth is flat' rationalizations for Nick's.  

All this video proved is that if you believe CGNOMADDAH, you can put out videos with questions that you can drive Mac trucks through, and that's proof.
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