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CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« on: April 18, 2007, 12:10:11 PM »
The CGNOMADDAH video is up and running on www.brunsnick.com

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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #76 on: April 19, 2007, 09:11:40 PM »
Damn, now you guys really got me confused. The earth is really flat? So if I walk in one direction will I find the edge and tip over?  Any videos out there to prove this?

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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #77 on: April 19, 2007, 09:18:49 PM »
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Damn, now you guys really got me confused. The earth is really flat? So if I walk in one direction will I find the edge and tip over?  Any videos out there to prove this?


Feel free to test that yourself...and take Steven with you.


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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #78 on: April 19, 2007, 09:34:27 PM »
Sorry forgot to add....nice video Nick and the Brunswick team.

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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #79 on: April 19, 2007, 09:50:14 PM »
C'mon do the test on totally stripped lanes, because we all bowl on that condition all the time.  When I get tired of bowling on no oil, I bowl on the 63 foot pattern.....blah blah....

Nick the video looked great to me....  the balls looked like they reacted the same to me, in fact they looked like they reacted just like MY balls, seems like a left some form of the 2-4-8-10 combination every shot last weekend on Shark Pattern.

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Back during plastic and urethane days CG still didn't matter in and of itself.  But the CG was the indicator of where the pancake weight block was.  This pancake was/is very close to the surface of the ball and with a bigger top weight, moving the CG moved the weight mass, and how this mass wobbled down the lane affected the ball motion.  Add on a big freakin X hole, which we used to use 1 1/4 holes regularly, and they used larger than that on Tour at times.  I haven't used a hole that big in 3-4 years that I can remember.

Now you have basically two piece balls shell and core.  The core is so close to the center of the ball it's measured in hundredths of an inch.  This stuff about "core orientation" is bunk too, specially with symmetrical cores.  To move the pin 1" you only have to move the core about 1/16 of inch away from center.  Look at your ruler to see how small that is.  So, in Nick's video, with the pins located in the same place on the two balls, the core position difference is very minimal, not even enough to change the flare patterns on the two test balls.  I could see getting a small difference in the flare rings if two strong assymmetrical balls were used, but I could also so understand know difference at all.

"use solid resin balls that'll make the difference show up more" blalalaaahhaa.  Both balls will be solid, they will grip the same, hello!

This whole argument doesn't matter to 99.8% of bowlers, the other .2% bowl for a living and are good enough players to take advantage of any differences between RG's and all that other junk.

Get your grip right, make the ball fit right so you can repeat shots, match the surface of the ball to your lane condition, and make your spares.

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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #80 on: April 19, 2007, 10:37:06 PM »
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Damn, now you guys really got me confused. The earth is really flat? So if I walk in one direction will I find the edge and tip over?  Any videos out there to prove this?


That would depend on your CG!!

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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #81 on: April 20, 2007, 01:03:56 AM »
Great video - Thanks for your time and effort
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #82 on: April 20, 2007, 01:38:01 AM »
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Great video - Thanks for your time and effort
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #83 on: April 20, 2007, 08:44:43 AM »
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I'm sorry but what Nick and Mav have said is true. No matter what is done in the video you will attempt to find fault to prove your side or if nothing else, disprove Nick.
Friction is what causes a ball to change direction as does the proper amount of axis rotation, NOTHING ELSE. You believe what you want to believe and I will do the same. Forces applied to the bowling ball help create reaction and friction allows it.
There is no true test that can prove anything, as everytime a ball is thrown down the lane, it changes. The surface of the ball changes-in absorption as well as temperature, the amount of oil on the lane changes as does the lanes surface-residual heat and deteriation. To add to this, so does the amount the earth has rotated (for those of you that realize the earth is round), the location of the sun is different effecting the tides, the weather has changed along with the temperature, the amount of humidity and the barometric pressure. And last but not least, the person throwing the shots is and has aged, as I have through this post. So thank you as I will be unable to get this time back.
 


If you believe that all these extraneous factors matter, then how can you possibly argue that cg does not matter?  Everything matters.  The better question is and should be "Does the cg matter enough for the average bowler and driller to be concerned with?"  If that is the question, then I might agree with your answer.  However, I am an engineer and I KNOW that everything matters.  It is possible to mathematically calculate the amount of effect that moving the cg would have on a rotating bowling ball.  My physics isn't good enough, nor do I have supercomputer time to do it, but it could be done, and I guarantee that the answer is not zero.

Rename the post "Bruswick believes that the amount of effect that can be achieved by moving the cg is minimal and should be igonored under normal circumstances" and you can end this debate.

Oh, and I'd still like a definitive answer on why positive shot 7 went through the nose and negative shot 8 struck.

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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #84 on: April 20, 2007, 09:28:28 AM »
still..

cg no matter?
but with x-hole matter (static weight rule), right?
then cg still matter,no?




I believe you... the Brunswick Vid was enough to proove...

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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #85 on: April 20, 2007, 09:49:23 AM »
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I'm sorry but what Nick and Mav have said is true. No matter what is done in the video you will attempt to find fault to prove your side or if nothing else, disprove Nick.


Ric: In your posts, I've tried to respond to you with some respect, and all you do is get arrogant and indignant. Then you pout like the neighborhood bully just took your prized toy away.

All I've asked is that a few discrepancies be answered, and I get a dance from you and Mav. At least Nick makes some attempt.

 
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Friction is what causes a ball to change direction as does the proper amount of axis rotation, NOTHING ELSE.  


I know friction is key, and that's my point. I ask if the right oil pattern to create the appropriate cover/surface friction was used, and I get a rationalization that all his tests are done after 6pm leagues, so what's there is there. In other words, a crap shoot. Does that sound like the makings of a controlled test to you?

 
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There is no true test that can prove anything, as everytime a ball is thrown down the lane, it changes.  


Fine, so  be intellectually honest and put that right up front so viewers watch your videos in context.

 
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What do you argue about when you are not arguing about this?
 


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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #86 on: April 20, 2007, 10:03:20 AM »
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and I get a dance from you and Mav.


Lets dance to this...

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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #87 on: April 20, 2007, 10:46:38 AM »
thats nice mav....my 3 year old was standing by my dancing with them....
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #88 on: April 20, 2007, 01:36:54 PM »
FRIDAY BREAKING NEWS!!!!


CG STILL NOMADDAH!
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #89 on: April 20, 2007, 02:12:16 PM »
I am so glad i stayed out of this thread, the uneducated on both sides kills me
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Re: CG NOMADDAH ***VIDEO***
« Reply #90 on: April 20, 2007, 02:18:21 PM »
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Lets dance to this...


LOL! Those Badgers are classic.
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