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CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« on: April 08, 2007, 08:57:29 PM »
Amending Brunswick's conclusive data of CG irrelevancy for ball reaction & track flare, using Lane #1 Equipment.

Video debuting 04.16.07
edit: 04.18.07 is the new date

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Edited on 4/9/2007 4:57 AM

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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2007, 05:04:01 PM »
Easy guys.

This videos will highlight two balls with identical pin positions, radically different cg placements.

No X-holes will be used.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2007, 05:08:36 PM »
lol, they are too much of a wimpy weight for you...
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2007, 05:14:34 PM »
I'll probably just ebay them, or raffle them off.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2007, 05:17:40 PM »
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You know what Chumly, I love when you post.  You make less sense everytime.  Nick is making a video based on the fact that the CG DOESN'T matter.  And you want to incorporate how the CG MATTERS when drilling based on top weight.  I thought you knew more than all of us.  Looks like you don't.  


He may be an idiot, I don't know.  But you're using "CG doesn't matter" in two different senses which he quite rightly distinguishes.

CG doesn't matter to ball reaction.  Grip center, up, down, left, right.  I might buy that.  I saw the old video.

CG does matter to legality of the ball.  CG placement is strongly dependent on starting top weight.  The same placement can give you either a ball that is vacuously legal or impossible to make legal or everything in between depending on the starting top weight.

I can appreciate the people who say to ignore the CG when laying out a ball, especially a strong asymmetric where you want to use the MB marking to determine reaction.  But you can't simply ignore it just because it doesn't have an effect.

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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2007, 05:29:49 PM »
What about static weights?  Do they matter?

After you drill the balls up will you give us the ending weights on the balls?
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2007, 06:21:33 PM »
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What about static weights?  Do they matter?

After you drill the balls up will you give us the ending weights on the balls?
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The ending stactic weight sure don't matter, its good to show on the video too.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2007, 06:26:54 PM »
I'm expecting to end with 1.5-2oz negative side on one ball, and 1.5-2oz positive on the other.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2007, 06:32:34 PM »
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I can appreciate the people who say to ignore the CG when laying out a ball, especially a strong asymmetric where you want to use the MB marking to determine reaction. But you can't simply ignore it just because it doesn't have an effect.


This is exactly the problem I have with the "CG doesn't matter" argument. Maybe it doesn't in a world where USBC side weight requirements don't matter. But they do, at least if you want to use a given ball in sanctioned play.

If no X-Holes are going to be used, I don't know what the videos will show other than a relatively meaningless academic exercise.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2007, 06:37:44 PM »
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I'm expecting to end with 1.5-2oz negative side on one ball, and 1.5-2oz positive on the other.
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Is that legal?  Isn't it no more than 1oz difference?

Will still be interesting to see.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2007, 06:39:29 PM »
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I can appreciate the people who say to ignore the CG when laying out a ball, especially a strong asymmetric where you want to use the MB marking to determine reaction. But you can't simply ignore it just because it doesn't have an effect.


This is exactly the problem I have with the "CG doesn't matter" argument. Maybe it doesn't in a world where USBC side weight requirements don't matter. But they do, at least if you want to use a given ball in sanctioned play.

If no X-Holes are going to be used, I don't know what the videos will show other than a relatively meaningless academic exercise.
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Agreed with your point, however what we facing everyday is bowlers coming in to ask for specific side weight because they think there is a difference in reaction.
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2007, 06:41:20 PM »
It will show that even extreme tweaks in CG placement won't alter the ball reaction. Using extreme measures will hopefully make people realize that "kickin it out an inch" isn't making the slightest bit of difference.


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Edited on 4/9/2007 6:40 PM
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2007, 06:43:38 PM »
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I'm expecting to end with 1.5-2oz negative side on one ball, and 1.5-2oz positive on the other.
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Is that legal?  Isn't it no more than 1oz difference?

Will still be interesting to see.
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If you remember from the X-Hole Demo Video, not a single variable allowed for a legal static weight situation. Having say, 3oz of difference between the two balls will show that folks that say "ball X 1/2oz sideweight will do this different compared to ball Y with 0 sideweight".
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Edited on 4/9/2007 6:43 PM
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2007, 07:01:56 PM »
Nick: Will all balls used in the video be USBC legal?
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Re: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO *Pic Page 2*
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2007, 07:04:08 PM »
Nope.
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