Author Topic: CG NOMADDAH VIDEO Pic Page 2 (Read 18253 times)

BrunsNick · « **on:** April 08, 2007, 08:57:29 PM »

Amending Brunswick's conclusive data of CG irrelevancy for ball reaction & track flare, using Lane #1 Equipment.

Video debuting 04.16.07
edit: 04.18.07 is the new date
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Edited on 4/9/2007 4:57 AM

Edited on 4/9/2007 8:43 PM

Edited on 4/13/2007 4:17 PM

C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #61 on:** April 13, 2007, 12:07:23 PM »

I watched the video on axis hole placement.

Wouldn't shifting the cg far enough to require a weighthole change reaction? MEANING....when you put the weighthole in the ball clearly it makes a difference in reaction and flare. In this instance....cg placment would matter, correct?

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BrunsNick · « **Reply #62 on:** April 13, 2007, 12:10:39 PM »

Carl,

Any hole placed in the ball will alter the reaction to some degree. However, until you remove the mass, the ball reaction will not change.
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Rev_O · « **Reply #63 on:** April 13, 2007, 12:18:34 PM »

quit teasing and post the vid already!

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Rev_O · « **Reply #64 on:** April 13, 2007, 12:18:35 PM »

quit teasing and post the vid already!

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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #65 on:** April 13, 2007, 12:18:38 PM »

Nick,

I understand that.

So if you place identical weightholes in a ball with the cg shifted right and one in a ball with the cg shifted negative those balls are going to do the same thing?

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BrunsNick · « **Reply #66 on:** April 13, 2007, 02:26:26 PM »

Yes, based on the core being orientated in the ball almost identically (1/8"), if I were to drill an identical x-hole in these HRG's, they'd still take on the exact same hook/flare pattern.
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T-GOD · « **Reply #67 on:** April 13, 2007, 04:02:29 PM »

Nick,

quote:
Any hole placed in the ball will alter the reaction to some degree. However, until you remove the mass, the ball reaction will not change.

Talk about a contradicting statement. First you say that any hole placed in a ball(removing any mass from the ball) will alter the reaction. Then you say that until you remove the mass, ball reaction will not change..? Is Brunswick teaching you that the weight of cover and filler material do not have mass..? So, removing 2 oz. of cover and filler material doesn't = removing 2 oz. of core material..? Hmmmm...2 oz. doesn't = 2 oz..? Is that the education you get, working for corporate greed..?

quote:
I try, as do certain guys, with there limited, as well as antiquated, beliefs and those that they harm with them. But I digress, what do I know...

I don't know which school you guys went to, but it's very clear to me that you're the ones with limited knowledge, and, trying to re-write the laws of physics. =:^D

MegaMav · « **Reply #68 on:** April 13, 2007, 04:17:30 PM »

quote:
I don't know which school you guys went to, but it's very clear to me that you're the ones with limited knowledge, and, trying to re-write the laws of physics.

You will eat those words very soon, you outdated fossil.

BrunsNick · « **Reply #69 on:** April 13, 2007, 04:18:13 PM »

Tom,

Yes, gripping holes will alter the reaction of the ball as well, thank you for stating the obvious. However, keeping the pin constant in 2 symmetrical core balls, the mass removed will not be a measurable difference.

Onward,

The video will have to be pushed to Wednesday, the 18th. Will need more time working on a side by side, and overlay effects.
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laufaye · « **Reply #70 on:** April 13, 2007, 04:20:11 PM »

quote:
Nick,
quote:
Any hole placed in the ball will alter the reaction to some degree. However, until you remove the mass, the ball reaction will not change.

Talk about a contradicting statement. First you say that any hole placed in a ball(removing any mass from the ball) will alter the reaction. Then you say that until you remove the mass, ball reaction will not change..? Is Brunswick teaching you that the weight of cover and filler material do not have mass..? So, removing 2 oz. of cover and filler material doesn't = removing 2 oz. of core material..? Hmmmm...2 oz. doesn't = 2 oz..? Is that the education you get, working for corporate greed..?
quote:
I try, as do certain guys, with there limited, as well as antiquated, beliefs and those that they harm with them. But I digress, what do I know...
I don't know which school you guys went to, but it's very clear to me that you're the ones with limited knowledge, and, trying to re-write the laws of physics. =:^D

T-God,

You are the one saying what you saw in ball reaction, what you believe, and now talking about someone without education, rewriting law of physics.

I don't have a degree in physics, but I hope you do, and if you do, use the law of physic to educate us. If you know that when that 2oz at the core are not the same as they are at the cover/filler? Dynamic imbalance.

What is the formular for RG?
What is the Formular for moment of inertia?
Educate us please.

I believe in God but not T-God

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strikealot · « **Reply #71 on:** April 13, 2007, 06:28:57 PM »

no he isnt moving...
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MegaMav · « **Reply #72 on:** April 13, 2007, 06:29:12 PM »

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ..........will he get up?

<Mike Tyson's Punchout> TKO

TKO

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imjouster · « **Reply #73 on:** April 13, 2007, 06:53:23 PM »

quote:
Therefore, because the plot of the graph would all be the same when throwing a ball on ice, nothing matters..!! It's that simple. =:^D

AMEN to that Brotha

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chitown · « **Reply #74 on:** April 13, 2007, 09:07:48 PM »

quote:
Carl,

Any hole placed in the ball will alter the reaction to some degree. However, until you remove the mass, the ball reaction will not change.
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If you take 2 identicle bowling balls with the same starting statics ect...

Ball #1: pin above the bridge, let's say 5.5" from ones pap, CG with zero side weight but a balance hole on the VAL 2" under pap. with 1oz of weight removed. This gives the ball 1oz of negative side.

Ball #2: same pin location, same balance hole placement but the CG is 2 oz right with the 1 oz taking out with the balance hole. Now this ball has an ending siode weight of 1 oz positive.

There's not going to be a difference in reaction?

What I don't understand is why did brunswick make there CG don't matter vid? If it doesn't matter then making it illegal to shift the CG shouldn't be a big deal?

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Edited on 4/13/2007 9:17 PM

chitown · « **Reply #75 on:** April 13, 2007, 09:19:51 PM »

I also wonder if the statics will make a difference on dry lanes? Wouldn't the dry lanes show a difference between the balls?
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