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CharlieBrown

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Handicap tournament question
« on: April 28, 2009, 07:15:34 PM »
I’m going to bowl in a handicap tournament, which will be my first tournament in over three/four years.

I only bowl leagues in one house, and the shot there is a tough-ish, super short pattern (30ft). This season, the highest average bowler at my home house for the two leagues is only 180. I think the all time house record there is only 685. Granted, the calibre of bowlers at my home house is not high.

When I practice at other house with THS, I usually have no problem finding the pocket and shooting par (or close to).

I’ll be carrying a high handicap in the upcoming tournament. Do you think I should inform the tournament director about the condition at my home house before the start of the tournament? (Whether I’m going to do well or not in the tournament, the last thing I want is being accused of sandbagging – cos I’m not)

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Jay

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Re: Handicap tournament question
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2009, 03:36:35 AM »
Even though you're not sandbagging, I think you might just have to deal with the fact that people may think you are.  If your league is sanctioned as a standard league, I don't see the tournament director re-rating you.  Maybe they will if you insist on it and you could probably go by the sport bowling conversion chart, but it's entirely up to you.

Consider this though.  You pay money to bowl in your league(s) and the house just happens to put out a tough shot.  You put up with it on a regular basis.  Handicap tournaments are the silver lining of that, and allow you to turn a negative into a positive.  Sure, you might have a bit of an advantage, but you didn't make it that way.

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Re: Handicap tournament question
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2009, 04:25:41 AM »
CharlieB,

No you dont have to as long as you have bowled the minimum amount of games required for handicap in that tournament, and it is your current highest average.

By the way where is the tournament and is it BTBA sanctioned...?

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Re: Handicap tournament question
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2009, 04:54:33 AM »
It is up to the tournament committee to rerate you, but they must do so at the beginning of the tournament and inform you of the rerate to give you an opportunity for refund.  

NO  I would not inform them that, IN YOUR OPINION, your house shot is tough and there fore your average might be considered too low for your ability.  The tournament knows the centers around the area.  They have your ID number ( if its all sanctioned) and they know where you are coming from.  

Now afterwards, should you bowl well, they might inform you that should you bowl in another of their tournaments they will be rerating you.  

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Re: Handicap tournament question
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2009, 06:23:45 AM »
I would have proof of average off   bowl.com and a note from
your league secy for current average that way somebody can't
come back on you and complain.
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CharlieBrown

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Re: Handicap tournament question
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2009, 06:26:39 AM »
Many thanks for the feedback.

A few additional points: the leagues that I’m in are not sanctioned, but the tournament is sanctioned. This season, I’ve subbed 27 games in one league and played over 80 games in the other. My average in the ‘sub’ is higher so I’m going to declare that one for my handicap.

There will also be a scratch division running parallel (i.e using the same score), and I intend to enter both.

A few years ago I played in a handicap tournament (doubles, 6-games, moving lanes after three games), where I encountered similar situation (home house tough shot, tournament shot easy-ish THS). I was doing well after three games, and my team was in a position to ‘cash’, then I overheard some bowler in the next pair saying that I must be sandbagging cos I was scoring too well for a high-ish handicap bowler. I tried to ignore the comments but it did have an effect on my last 3 games and our team failed to cash. I don’t want to have the same situation again, hence this thread.

Anyway, I’m probably going to crash and burn cos this is my first tournament in the last few years, but I sure will try my hardest!



Thanks again!

ps - MaidenheadBandit, I'll pm you

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Re: Handicap tournament question
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2009, 06:35:44 AM »
I hate to say I help run tournaments and also is a assoc manager
and by USBC rules if it is a USBC tourney without a USBC average
I would have you bowl scratch no exceptions.
I see them doing the same as  you don't have a USBC average
If it don't cost to much have fun and bowl scratch but
if you don't have a USBC card that will cost about $20 to

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Re: Handicap tournament question
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2009, 07:02:15 AM »
Your profile indicates you live in the UK.  That probably would be important information since the sanctioning bodies, I assume, are different than in the US.

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Re: Handicap tournament question
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2009, 07:18:31 AM »
I also would not inform them. If you have an official average based on the tough home pattern you can submit, this is it - you should not have to apologize for playing well, at least when backed up by official numbers.

But: if you do not have any official/valid reference, I'd rate you without any handycap in order to prevent sandbagging - that's usual practice here in Germany in sanctioned tournaments, and even unscantioned events ask for an average record.
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Re: Handicap tournament question
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2009, 08:14:13 AM »
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Your profile indicates you live in the UK.  That probably would be important information since the sanctioning bodies, I assume, are different than in the US.


Yes, sanctioned leagues are not common here in the UK.
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CharlieBrown

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Re: Handicap tournament question
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2009, 08:18:56 AM »
quote:
you should not have to apologize for playing well


IF I play well..... haha  
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Re: Handicap tournament question
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2009, 08:28:17 AM »
Take the highest average you have with 21 games established. Don't beat yourself up because you chose to bowl on a tougher league shot than others. Alot of the time, the accusation of sandbagging during play is just a rationalization by bowlers as to why they are losing or an attempt to throw someone who may be hot of their game.
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Re: Handicap tournament question
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2009, 09:17:13 AM »
I wouldn't say anything, for a change, a good bowler will stand a chance against sandbaggers.  If you win, you'll likely be rerated in the future.  I've talked with USBC officials, and they said they are pretty much powerless to deal with Sandbaggers, so take advantage of it, kick their rears, if you feel guilty, just remember, your average is honest.