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Minnesota_stroker

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Change in release
« on: September 22, 2004, 11:57:08 AM »
I currently throw a full roller release which I am trying to change to a semi roller and I  have a few questions.

Can I use my current arsenal which all have like a 7 o'clock pin placement? Of course if the transition goes smoothly I will be getting a few new balls drilled accordingly. I was also wondering what type of  ball reaction my full roller balls would have? I would have to assume it's a weak drilling.

When I throw my full roller release My hand comes straight up the back of the ball. I need to know what changes I need to make in my release. I think I have to rotate my thumb and fingers a little more around the side to lower my track. Is this correct?

I would greatly appreciate any replies.
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Re: Change in release
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2004, 09:40:33 PM »
You'd definitely have you get your balls re-drilled because the full roller layout is much different from a semi-roller.  The pin and CG (or MB) placements are dependent upon your PAP location, and changing to a semi-roller will change your PAP location.  If there's a coach in your area, I'd strongly suggest going to see him/her to have them help you change to a semi-roller.  It's difficult trying to help you without having a visual of how you actually bowl.
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dirtbikebowler

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Re: Change in release
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2004, 10:10:01 PM »
can i ask a dumb question? where is the track on a full roller. and how does a person know if thye are a full roller. I mean i know how they release it but just ya, lol.
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Minnesota_stroker

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Re: Change in release
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2004, 10:18:55 PM »
The track runs between the thumb and finger holes. If you throw a ball drilled for a semi roller it rolls over the thumbhole.
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Re: Change in release
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2004, 12:28:47 PM »
Minnesota_stroker - The full roller layout is designed to reverse the flare (compared to flare with a normal 3/4 layout) so the track flares away from both the thumb and fingers (with the full roller track).  If a ball with this layout is rolled with a 3/4 release, the flare will still be reversed, and the track will flare into the thumb hole.  If you have a plastic ball with a pancake core, it would be better to work on learning the 3/4 release with it, because it will not flare very much and you should be able to see the oil ring clearly in either a full roller or 3/4 track.

In my experience, it is difficult for a natural full roller to convert to a 3/4 release, and vice versa.  Sawbones will disagree with this, because he is one that has converted and did so fairly easily.  The full roller release starts with the thumb at 9:00 and fingers at 3:00, and the thumb rotates toward 12:00 in release.  The wrist is normally broken back slightly.  The 3/4 release starts with the thumb at 11:00 and fingers at 5:00, and the thumb rotates toward 9:00 in the release.  The wrist is normally cocked slightly.  Good luck  --  JohnP
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Ragnar

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Re: Change in release
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2004, 12:36:50 PM »
Minnesota, I threw a full roller for 20 years, using a slightly different release than the one described by JohnP, but not enough to quibble (my release was probably closer to the way you release the ball).  It took me at least a couple of years to actually throw a 3/4 roller comfortably.  (I think the last ball I actually drilled for a full roller was a Yellow Dot).  One bit of advice that I received and which, over time, I found helpful was this.  At release imagine your thumb moving, rather than being static.  Think of it as a sort of upward "flick" at release.  For sure you'll need to rotate the ball some to get away from the full roller.
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Re: Change in release
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2004, 12:47:50 PM »
I converted as well.

Another good image is to throw the ball like you would a football underhanded with a spiral.

Your equipment should be fine you just won’t be able to take full advantage of the core and surface. The pin will be on the track so very little flare will occur. Also with the lower pin position the ball will want to start a little earlier.

Most full roller drills do not have side weight. With a ¾ roller you can start to use this as well.
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Re: Change in release
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2004, 02:19:54 PM »
I'm another who used to throw a full-roller.  However, my chnage wasn't a conscious decision.  When I started back after my 14 year layoff,  I found that I was throwing a high-track 3/4 roller, and not the full-roller.
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Minnesota_stroker

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Re: Change in release
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2004, 06:25:06 PM »
Thanks to everyone for the feedback.

I realize my current balls won't be very effective for a 3/4 release. I may buy a used ball and have it drilled for a 3/4 roller and practice with it.

It's good to know that you guys used to throw a full roller. I thought I was some kind of freak. I get tired of other bowlers looking at my equipment and telling me my ball is drilled wrong because of the odd pin placement.

I guess i'll keep everyone updated on my progress.
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