Author Topic: Changing styles for better scoring (Read 2265 times)

Bowl_Freak · « **on:** February 29, 2012, 11:22:49 PM »

I've been a down and in player for my whole life and it kills me these days to see the crackers scoring tons with these balls these days and I'm still just down and in getting my average everyone, nothing huge or nothing low, 749 being my high and 654 being my low in league for the year while my avg is at 234. But seeing all big crankers score 770 or more on regular basis and never hit sam e mark twice in a row just pisses me off. I guess what I'm trying to say is maybe I should try to join the crankers but what is the difference in targeting methods when playing deeper on lane.

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MrNattyBoh · « **Reply #1 on:** March 01, 2012, 07:43:28 AM »

I am actually going through this transition right now. I was always a down the boards player but I was tired of getting outscored by the sprayers. So about three months ago I decided enough was enough and started working with my good friend that runs a pro shop in Mechanicsburg PA at ABC West Lanes. I told him exactly what I wanted to do and he agreed that this would be a good move, and he has helped me get more side rotation and get deeper on the lane to project the ball to the outside portion of the lane. This has helped me with a more fluid approach and release at the foul line. Now, obviously you wont start scoring overnight. I have been doing this for three months and have had only one 700+ series since and quite a few sub-600 sets. When playeing deeper on the lane as opposed to straight-up you must remember to open up at the foul line. My feet are pointed towards my target, my shoulders are open and my right shoulder is lower at the stance than my left. This allows me to project the ball towards the right side of the lane with ease while also obtaining a smooth release at the foul line. I have also moved up on the approach, moved the ball down and back in my stance, changed my pushaway, and changed where my hand and wrsit are at the stance. This has been a struggle at first. But after three months of practicing and working with Broc I feel like I am heading to the next level of my game, my confidence is up and The strikes are now starting to add up to some big numbers. It is very uncomfortable at first, but over time will become a natural feel.

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Urethane Game · « **Reply #2 on:** March 01, 2012, 07:46:18 AM »

You're averaging 234. I think the answer is to keep your game the same and stop bowling on the China.

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rustylegacy · « **Reply #3 on:** March 01, 2012, 08:39:27 AM »

I wish I was good enough to complain about my 230 average being too low.

trash heap · « **Reply #4 on:** March 01, 2012, 09:27:57 AM »

WOW! Someone thinking a 234 average is not enough. Is a 250+ average the future of THS bowling? Are we going to see more people achieving this feat?

completebowler · « **Reply #5 on:** March 01, 2012, 09:44:00 AM »

Yes...it is the future of the game under the current set up. A good friend of mine shot 848 and 837 in the last 5 days. He has 32 800's and most have come in the last 5 years.

trash heap wrote on 3/1/2012 10:27 AM:
WOW! Someone thinking a 234 average is not enough. Is a 250+ average the future of THS bowling? Are we going to see more people achieving this feat?

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spmcgivern · « **Reply #6 on:** March 01, 2012, 11:01:01 AM »

This is somewhat humorous to me because myself and many other crankers I know wish they could play down and in.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Playing down and in is the style required for most sport shots. These crankers who are spraying the ball shooting a ton on house shots can't compete on tougher shots.

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northface28 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 01, 2012, 11:18:59 AM »

completebowler wrote on 3/1/2012 10:44 AM:Yes...it is the future of the game under the current set up. A good friend of mine shot 848 and 837 in the last 5 days. He has 32 800's and most have come in the last 5 years.

trash heap wrote on 3/1/2012 10:27 AM:
WOW! Someone thinking a 234 average is not enough. Is a 250+ average the future of THS bowling? Are we going to see more people achieving this feat?

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This is the exception, not the rule. Tens of thousands of guys will never even sniff 790, not to mention 830.

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storm22 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 01, 2012, 11:36:09 AM »

spmcgivern wrote on 3/1/2012 12:01 PM:
This is somewhat humorous to me because myself and many other crankers I know wish they could play down and in.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Playing down and in is the style required for most sport shots. These crankers who are spraying the ball shooting a ton on house shots can't compete on tougher shots.

I am not a pro-bowler, but I do play one on BallReviews.com

You are absolutely right SPMC. I fought through a PBAX league in the summer and was having too much trouble trying to swing it at all. This year I've had to make the adjustment and move to more down and in from being a cranker on my THS leagues and I'm excited to see it translate in the summer (Hopefully). It is tought to get used to to begin with, but now that I've been playing straighter, when the lanes open up, I have a harder time drifting left where I used to play all the time. I have noticed that with playing straigter I am carrying corner pins a lot more consistantly. What's the saying, "Straighter is Greater!"

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completebowler · « **Reply #9 on:** March 01, 2012, 12:03:13 PM »

I never said it will be the rule. Just saying the scoring enviroment is at an all time high. The guy I mentioned is a lefty. Very, very good mechanics. But despite averaging around 230 most places and having 21 300's myself I know most days he will beat me because his game is better suited for THS.

Now, put us on tougher conditions where you have to play multiple angles and I will outscore him (or be very close). But the point is that we no longer talk about who has shot 300 when discussing good bowlers. It is now a conversation about HOW MANY award scores you have.

I shot my first 300 when I was 20. Did it with urethane in 1996 as a know nothing kid. But the game has changed since then and 250 average is well within reach of many, many high end league bowlers nowadays. I'm at 237 in one house and feel like I haven't thrown the ball as well as I can this year. Plus I had surgery that hurt me before and after the operation. My teammate is carrying 246 in the same league.

northface28 wrote on 3/1/2012 12:18 PM:

completebowler wrote on 3/1/2012 10:44 AM:
Yes...it is the future of the game under the current set up. A good friend of mine shot 848 and 837 in the last 5 days. He has 32 800's and most have come in the last 5 years.

trash heap wrote on 3/1/2012 10:27 AM:

WOW! Someone thinking a 234 average is not enough. Is a 250+ average the future of THS bowling? Are we going to see more people achieving this feat?

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This is the exception, not the rule. Tens of thousands of guys will never even sniff 790, not to mention 830.

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Bowl_Freak · « **Reply #10 on:** March 01, 2012, 01:08:35 PM »

Well, I have a great down and in game. My problems are typically exposing the higher scoring conditions. I can beat the crankers on tougher conditions. But when they are softer is when I lack carry power to compete with them and score. I'm just looking to expand my game to a point where I can compete when the scores are super high . I'm not complaining about my 234 avg at all, just would like some higher sets and games that the crankers in my league/tournaments have. Just saying I'd like to boom it sometimes.

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charlest · « **Reply #11 on:** March 01, 2012, 01:16:18 PM »

I have to go with spmcgivern. 90% of those scoring in the 2 houses I bowl in (both are VERY different) are throwing down and in. I tried balls and releases and nothing changes. I'm a tweener from now til doomsday. I'd give my left nut to throw 3 revs 18 mph. What's worse,I've asked them and they have no idea what they're aiming at, literally!!!!! Argh!!!!!

spmcgivern wrote on 3/1/2012 12:01 PM:This is somewhat humorous to me because myself and many other crankers I know wish they could play down and in.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Playing down and in is the style required for most sport shots. These crankers who are spraying the ball shooting a ton on house shots can't compete on tougher shots.

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Impending Doom · « **Reply #12 on:** March 03, 2012, 09:00:56 AM »

Duh. Throw it worse. You will wreck the house shot. Delay your swing, use some surface, and be a nozzle. That plan of attack actually blends the house shot.

Just keep pucking it up 8 and averaging 230, ya toe.

Bowl_Freak wrote on 3/1/2012 2:08 PM: Well, I have a great down and in game. My problems are typically exposing the higher scoring conditions. I can beat the crankers on tougher conditions. But when they are softer is when I lack carry power to compete with them and score. I'm just looking to expand my game to a point where I can compete when the scores are super high . I'm not complaining about my 234 avg at all, just would like some higher sets and games that the crankers in my league/tournaments have. Just saying I'd like to boom it sometimes.

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Xx 12 X 300 xX · « **Reply #13 on:** March 03, 2012, 09:28:45 AM »

I don't think changing styles is the answer here. To a point yes, you probably could improve on your release and ball selection so you can play the angles the higher rev players are playing, but to overhaul your game probably is not the best idea.

I tried this for the past 2 seasons. I like yourself wanted to find a way to play the game from the crankers perspective. Overall I would say my experiment has been a flop. There are not too many nights where all the pieces of the puzzle come together, and the last 2 seasons have been nothing but mass confusion and frustration.

The best piece of advice I could give you is: Your born to bowl a certain way, your body will only allow you to bowl a certain way, do what you do best and find a way to make it better. If your not born with the physical gift to throw it with a rev rate of 500rpms, than it's going to be a long hard road trying to learn that, and you might not and end up wasting your time.

History has shown us that the bowlers who play straighter and smarter are the ones who make the most money over the long haul. This might be subject to change at the pro level, but your every day weekend tournament or week day bowling level your going to make alot more $$ being able to play the straighter game.

A very good coach can help you refine the areas your looking to improve in. Learning how to hook the ball more doesn't mean you have to be a cranker. There is x amount of rev rate and axis rotation/tilt you need to strike, anything more than that is just over kill. We are knocking down pins, not dropping our pants for a contest.

Edited by Xx 12 X 300 xX on 3/3/2012 at 8:30 AM

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