Why are these even listed together, a 16 lb and a 15 lb, I guess they aren't even usable but no one would buy both weights who would actually use them. At least they could sell them separately, I did buy from this seller a red pearl hammer. It was pretty much new in box and a second, but they shipped it in that box, not double boxed, with packing tape around the box and through the normal usps system. So as expected the box was worthless and luckily nothing happened in shipping to the ball, but really kinda irritated me they didn't even try to ship it double boxed and preserve the original box and protect it more. So I do have a little bit of a problem with them. Everything they sell is right over the top of what it is really worth, but yet they are all things that are really rare so hard to find any other person with them. So they in theory can wait till someone who really wants them come along, since no other options. At least they could ship them though with more care for the prices they ask, and they raised the other red pearl hammer to even higher than what I paid, like it's going up in price or something for a second/blem.