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abcarr

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Going Straight(er)
« on: October 28, 2015, 10:16:30 AM »
Not sure if this is a common problem that bowlers deal with from time to time, but so far this season, with few exceptions (my first 700 being one)  I'm all over the place as far as consistency goes.  Meaning I can't hit my mark consistently, therefor my scores are all over the place.  So I'm gonna try some advice the pro shop operator gave me a while back....

At the time, I asked him, if you have two balls that are hitting good (providing you're hitting your mark!!) but you are standing several boards apart, how do you decide which ball to use?  Without hesitation he said, the one that lets me start farthest right, and went on to explain why.  (He's right-handed, btw.)  Made perfect sense and I filed the info away in the back of my brain. 

Fast forward to now.  Using my Roto Grip Theory I usually stand about 8-9 boards left of center and throw out to the second arrow.  If using my Defiant Soul (which is the ball I used when I got my 700) I can move about 2 boards right and still throw at the second arrow.  If I hit my mark, great!!  But I'm not.  Seems like I start by missing outside, then the ball doesn't come back.  So then I let up just a little and  I miss inside.  If I'm lucky it goes Brooklyn.  If not, I get a split.  So yesterday I went to practice and decided to throw one of my older balls, a Storm Special Agent.  With it, I'm standing 3 boards left of center and still throwing at the second arrow.  So it's a much straighter shot.  At least on delivery.  And my consistency was a whole lot better!!!  My first game was a 267.  So to see if that was a fluke I bowled two more games with it.  My second was a 187 and my third was a 223.  I know the scores weren't real consistent, but I was and it's the best "series" I've had in a month or so.   

I know it was just practice, but for now the Special Agent is back in the bag and I'll see what happens Thursday at league. At this point I'm willing to try anything!!   

 

         
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Gene J Kanak

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Re: Going Straight(er)
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2015, 10:28:23 AM »
I'm glad that you were able to find some success; we all need that from time to time! As far as your PSO's advice, I can see where he's coming from to a point. You almost always hear that straighter is greater, especially during the early going in long-format events. The rationale is that if you start too far inside, you leave yourself nowhere to go. However, you have to look at how many games you're bowling and what it's going to take to be successful. I have run into trouble at the Open Championships the last two years because I tried staying out and playing straight longer than I should've. Now, part of that was because I was bowling as a member of a team, and I didn't want to potentially blow the shot up for everyone else. Still, I would've been more successful had I moved left sooner. As such, you have to look at who you're bowling with, how many games you're bowling, and whether or not you can get away with playing it safe, or if you have to score to win/cash. If we're talking about a standard 3-game league, I would go wherever gives me the best chance of scoring right off the bat because A) I should've have to move too much over the course of only three games, and B) the scoring pace is such that I probably can't afford to shoot 190-200 controlling the pocket. If I'm going to end up on top, I have to strike right off the bat.


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Re: Going Straight(er)
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2015, 11:43:57 AM »
I think the league scenario calls for a different strategy than longer formats and/or tournament conditions.  In league, I like to use a ball that lets me stay straighter and further right out of the gate.  My carry is much better when I don't have to hook around the oil.  When the heads go and I have to move in I then go to something stronger.  On tournament patterns, you always have to be aware that you are going to have to move in fairly quick, unless you are on a very short pattern.  The difference is that you have to bring your break point in as you move deeper on the tournament patterns.  I think this is what leads to the straighter is greater sayings.  On house shots it really depends on your style.  If you have the revs you can move in and hook the lane early.  If not you will carry better trying to stay straighter using tame equipment for at least a game or so. 

The biggest myth is that lower rev straighter players need strong equipment to combat their lack of hand.  In reality straighter low rev players can make just as much use of tame equipment as power players, they just use it in different circumstances. 

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Re: Going Straight(er)
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2015, 01:33:51 PM »
Standing 8-9 boards left of center (that's 28-29 board) and throwing to second arrow (10 board, which is only 15 feet down the lane) seems like your ball would be in the gutter just after 20 feet unless you were drifting right.

With you starting several boards right, your body is probably better aligned towards the second arrow (target), which makes a better swing path, and therefore you are more consistent.

When you are practicing look down after you release the ball. Make a note of what board you finish on. If you can, place a small post-it note and stick on the lane just beyond the foul line, where your left foot is, after what you consider yourself a good throw. Then repeat your strike shots and see if you are ending close to that post-it.

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Re: Going Straight(er)
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2015, 03:30:05 PM »
Also, Knowing if you drift or not, and knowing your "personal number" - how many boards between slide ankle and ball at release point, can be really helpful and easier to adjust when you miss.

It's old school dick ritger teachings, but I still use it today.
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Re: Going Straight(er)
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2015, 08:44:08 AM »
i was thinking the same thing about the drifting issue. there is no way you are sliding 28 or 23 even and hitting 10 at the arrow zone. general rule of thumb the difference between your slide and lay down point is 7 boards +/- a couple depending on body type. its ok to drift, i know a couple guys that stand about 35 slide about 20 and play 13-8. one guy even stands about 30 and drifts enough to lay it down on 4 and play right to left.

the point is that its not important where you start its where you finish when explaining how youre playing the lanes

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Re: Going Straight(er)
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2015, 12:24:45 PM »
To address the drifting issue; yes, I do drift, but how much I'm not sure.  I know it's not as much as it used to be because it was pointed out to me and it's something I've tried to work on.  So I understand what guys are getting at.  Another thing that I may have explained wrong (or not at all) is my lay-down spot.  To be honest, I'm not sure exactly where I lay down the ball.  All I know is that when the ball gets out to the arrows, if it doesn't cross over the top of the second arrow or come within a board or two one way or the other, it's not going to be a very good shot.  And yes, as the ball continues past the arrows, it does get outside the second arrow, usually by about 2-3 boards.  Which would be out to about 7-8 boards.  But if it gets out as far as the fifth board, it's not coming back.  But the bottom line is, something has changed in my mechanics (or something) and what used to work isn't and I'm not able to consistently hit my mark, regardless of where I'm starting.  One thing I've been wondering about, is if it's time to drop down to a 15 pound ball.....     

And yes, lining up where I'm at now definitely puts me (or at least my right hand/arm) more in line with the second arrow, which seems to make for less chance of error in hitting my mark. 

Thanks for the comments, help and suggestions .  As I'm sure you can tell, I'm just a recreational/league bowler, so I apologize if my explanations and terminology are lacking.   League is tonight so I'll see what happens. 

Thanks again!!
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Re: Going Straight(er)
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2015, 01:53:09 PM »
Do you ever make any adjustments to play a track that is either outside or inside 10 board at the arrows.  I cant imagine playing any area on a lane for more than about 7 shots in todays environment.  Also, sometimes it can be difficult to even get the ball to your target if you are playing out angle and the heads start to go.  This would be a sign that you need to follow the oil in to maybe 13 or 15 at the arrow.  The fact that you say the ball doesn't recover when it gets out to 5 also suggests you are playing to far to the right. 

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Re: Going Straight(er)
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2015, 09:18:38 AM »
Well, call it luck or the right adjustment, but whatever it was, switching balls and going straighter definitely paid off.  Shot a 703 series last night and my highest game ever; a 279!!  Started the second game with two 9/spares then struck out.  During practice (before league) I found my spot, which wasn't too far from where I was when I practiced on Tuesday.  Started at 2 boards left of center (22 boards) and the only adjustment I had to make during the three games was to move back a couple of inches during the third game.  Reason for that was because I was hitting the pocket but leaving solid 10 pins.  And I missed one of them, which was my only open frame of the night.  And hitting my mark was so much easier.  So I guess I know where I'll be playing from now on.  At least until that stops working!!  LOL!!

To address avabob's comments;
"Do you ever make any adjustments to play a track that is either outside or inside 10 board at the arrows."
Yes, I have made adjustments to throw inside the 10 board, but it's been after I've moved a couple of  boards left or just started farther left to try a different shot.  Sometimes I have success with that and sometimes I don't.  Seems like the ball gets into more oil and goes straighter longer then snaps at the end and other times it just keeps sliding.  Kinda like when I get it out to or outside the five board.


The fact that you say the ball doesn't recover when it gets out to 5 also suggests you are playing to far to the right.
As for the ball not coming back when I get it out to the 5 board, I'm not the only one that has problems with that, at least on these lanes.  The only people that seem to have much success with that are the ones that really crank the ball.  I don't know how much of a factor this is, but these are synthetic lanes. And it's the only synthetics I've ever played, so I don't have anything to compare to, other than wood. 

I cant imagine playing any area on a lane for more than about 7 shots in todays environment.
With very few exceptions, I seldom move more than 2-3 boards over the course of three games.   Maybe I should and I'm just not experienced enough to realize it.  Or I wait too long to make a move.  But most of my problems come from my own inconsistencies.  For example, the only two 700's that I've shot (both in the last month!!), I didn't need to move left or right even a half a board.  And each was thrown with a different ball, throwing a different line.   So whether that can be attributed to good lane conditions or luck, I don't know.       

Anyway, thanks again for the comments and suggestions!!   



   

   
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