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Shoutout33

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Now, I'm not trying to start a flaming war...
« on: March 22, 2004, 02:14:32 AM »
or any kind of racial issues. But I'd really like to know from the folks on this forum, don't you think the PBA would be even more...I don't know, marketable or interesting to see a variation of nationalities on the tour. I mean, what would it take for the PBA to become an interantional tour? Like I said this isn't a black or white thing.

Now, i'm black (or African-American which ever makes you feel more comfortable with...) and the only black bowlers that I remember seeing on the tour were Curtis Odom and George Brahnam III. Now, I could be wrong and missed something here, but that's who I remember. I'm here in the DC Metro area and there are a lot of talented black bowlers here, but it's like everyone just feels that regional is the way to go or something.

Now, there are some extremely talented bowlers in the world all around the globe. But what gives? I mean, other the Amletto, what other great Latin or Hispanic bowlers have been successful on the tour? I know the Aussies have a strong group down under, but who's been on the tour? Also, how have those folks from Finland started to make it to the tour so more than everybody else? No offense or anything, but it seems that after Mika left his mark, we're seeing more Finnish bowlers. (did I spell that right...?)

For example, there's the Japan Cup the first of the year. Do any of you know if any of the Japanese participate in it? Heck, they have the LARGEST bowling center in world, you'd think they'd have somebody in the competition! I mean a lot of this depends on location and intrest, but our sport is the most participated in the world. So what gives?

What do you think it would take for bowling to reach, let's say, golf status as far as prize money and international prowess? I mean yeah, golf is more expensive than bowling equipment wise, but it's not like bowling can't GET expensive. I don't know, I just feel that if bowling was little more diverse that might help. Just my opinion.
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Re: Now, I'm not trying to start a flaming war...
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2004, 02:37:19 PM »
Tony Reyes made a show last year I believe he also made a show this year but it was only in an interview during a pba telecast.. He is also exempt for next year. He's hispanic.
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Shoutout33

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Re: Now, I'm not trying to start a flaming war...
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2004, 05:35:44 PM »
Ok. So there's not enough money. Well, what do you think need to do to get the sponsors to give us some more money? I mean, wouldn't it be cool to have Nike make some bowling products. Bags, shirts, wrist/elbow supports, hell mabey even a ball or two (it could happen, they make golf clubs now and that didn't happen until Tiger showed up...). Why not get some car manufacturers back in the loop. Yeah, I know Firestone sponsored us for a minute, but that was then and this is now.

Basically what you all are telling me, is that if we get some more big name sponsors we could possibly change how people make some money on tour. So, how about you all giving your two cents on who would be a good canditade for a PBA sponsor?
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Re: Now, I'm not trying to start a flaming war...
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2004, 02:49:55 AM »
Shoutout33,

   In todays world getting a sponser equates to begging for hand outs. What company looking at bowling from any vantage point (pba, abc, yaba, wibc, collgate, fiq....etc) is going to believe they are making a sound investment in a continuing declining sport. They only ones willing to do this, are the ones wanting for some reason the save the sport. Some how, someone has begged borrowed or stole there support for those that are so wonderfull to be doing it today.

   No we can NOT look for others to save this sport. We have to do it ourselves. The question is how? The question is, who makes up us? Is ABC us?
Is the PBA us? Are we the bowlers US? Will the new bowling organization be us? I dont think the plan has been derived by anyone yet.

   Certianly, I am not smart enough to solve this problem. But somehow, someone has to take the bulls by the horns, stir the boat, change things. There are so many possibilities. Here is one to think about, I ran accross a rather lengthy article from a bowling mag back in 1987... heres the jist...
every bowler, ABC, YABA, WIBC, pays a single buck or two that is ear marked for the PBA. That will constitute about 10M today. That could increase prize funds of tourneys or make more tourneys every year. NON-Touring members of the PBA (regionals) could be required to participate in basically fund rasiers in there local area once per month... say like learn to bowl or special events to draw more bowlers. Basically paying back to the community for that buck or two. That could increase bowling center revenues, pro shop sales, snack bar...etc.  Basically, the ABC would be sponsering the PBA and the PBA would be building bowlers for ABC and centers.  This is one way we can help ourselves. Peronally, I would pay $5 every year to have PBA guys somewhere in my area every month offers tips and suggestions. And that could mean 20M to the PBA prize fund. Now that is substantial.

Another idea, perhaps, bowling centers could directly pay the PBA a yearly fee, like $10bucks per lane bed to have PBA guys come in every quarter for exibitions or such. Or, the PBA themselves could simply become a travel circus, doing exhibitions and offering training clinics at centers and charge bowlers to attend.  I mean, lets quit asking for handouts and start taking responsibility for it ourselves.  There is so much we can do... all we need is the right ideas.  Individually we are so small, together we are 3M bowlers...together we can fix this thing.
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Re: Now, I'm not trying to start a flaming war...
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2004, 06:30:16 AM »
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sorry, i think the one rule should be that they have to speak english, call me racist if you want to, and I think mika is one he11 of a bowler, but he annoys me and it's even worse when the announcer feel it neccesary to repeat what he said and then translate it.



Mika speaks english.........
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Re: Now, I'm not trying to start a flaming war...
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2004, 07:23:05 AM »
Hey Shoutout,

I think a big part of the reason like the guys are saying is money.  The money's not enough to come here and travel to beat your head against the wall against the best just to pull in $100k, you have to be REAL good to make more.  Heck, we've got quite a few amateurs here in the US that WON'T go pro just so they can continue to make a living off other amateurs.  Go to Vegas, you'll see them.  Let's say these guys make a comfortable living in their own country and they're already the king over there and making a good living, why try harder?  I used to know of a player in the Philippines named Piang who just kills everybody there, why should he come here and compete?  Plus I don't know if their games are competitive enough because they learned on completely different shots, we have our Asian spinners that do well there but don't know exactly how well that would work here and vise versa.  Don't know if you remember Alvin Lou but he was the first Asian I saw on the finals of the PBA in the 70's.  I agree with you that it would be a nice thing to see but until the PBA can put up the equivalent of golf prize monies, it's hard to justify.  Just my 2 cents....
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Re: Now, I'm not trying to start a flaming war...
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2004, 10:01:36 AM »
Guys, a lot of you make good sounding points. Shoutout, you have to realize that if ESPN had not stepped in a few years ago, there may not have even been a tour for us to even be talking about today.

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Re: Now, I'm not trying to start a flaming war...
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2004, 02:48:52 PM »
Hey Shoutout Bobby Hall Jr. is a hell of a great bowler in the DC area.  I'm from DC also and he's about as laid back as they come.  I think people would really be interested if they had pot games or challenges with their own money.  How many times have you heard people after leagues barking about there games and next thing you know 200 is on the table and they're rockin.  20 people will stay late just to watch.  The only reason I bowl still today is the action you can get at the lanes.

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Re: Now, I'm not trying to start a flaming war...
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2004, 08:43:33 PM »
Amelleto is actually of Italian heratige, and Italian is his first langauge. Seeing that Italian people are considered white, there goes the whole latin thing....


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Re: Now, I'm not trying to start a flaming war...
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2004, 04:38:36 AM »
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Amelleto is actually of Italian heritage, and Italian is his first language. Seeing that Italian people are considered white, there goes the whole latin thing....


Lefte... Amleto is of italian heritage, as I am... But his first language is NOT italian, he speaks spanish, Italian and english... Ok, most of us Venezuelan bowlers are NOT real latins, but remember that most of latins are Spanish-Italian-Portuguese so there's no big deal about that... My father is Italian(Salerno) and my mother us from the U.S. (Ypsilanti, Michigan)

So that makes me Italian-American??? no... I am still Venezuelan (Sadly... )
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Re: Now, I'm not trying to start a flaming war...
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2004, 05:24:56 AM »
What if we could get rid of the line between amateurs and pros?  What if the world-ranking system on the amateur side today and the PBA ranking system could be developed a few steps further? Then the PBA pros could compete for points and money in Europe and Asia, and "amateurs" from Europe and Asia could have a shot at doing the same in PBA tourneys.


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