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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: ccrider on February 04, 2014, 05:24:16 PM

Title: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: ccrider on February 04, 2014, 05:24:16 PM
Have not seen any post regarding this telecast. I thought it would be boring, but ended up watching to the last ball was thrown. Would not mind seeing some othe one on one matches between my favorites. Maybe Duke v. Weber. Or Barnes v. Mallot.

Also, did anyone notice that they listed Mastermind Genius as 9.5 and the Mastermind as 9.0.  I realize that layout can be, and in this case did, affect ball strength and reaction. Rash used the Mastermind on the shorter pattern, so I must assume he layed it out less aggressively and used the strong cover to blend the over under off the dry. Still, I think that this was somewhat misleading for the novice.
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: NHLfan88 on February 05, 2014, 09:21:32 AM
The best part about the whole show was Jason Couch absolutely trashing 2 handed bowling.
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 05, 2014, 09:24:40 AM
The best part about the whole show was Jason Couch absolutely trashing 2 handed bowling.

I quite enjoyed that myself.  I have a feeling that not a lot of players on tour like Belmonte much. 
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: MrNickRo on February 05, 2014, 09:36:07 AM
I thought it was quite entertaining (except for the boxing style entrances and announcing).

I also really enjoyed having current competitive bowlers on the mic because they really, really know what they are talking about.

Congrats to Belmo - I was thrilled to see him win. (and to see Rash lose :P)

The bowlers on tour who don't like it can deal with it.  Although, I feel that most have the utmost respect for his talent, they don't need to wine about him having the biggest pocket.  WRW may have had the world's smallest pocket and he still won the most titles ever, so, there's that.

The fact that Jason averaged over 240 through the TOC is an obvious testament to his ability transition through stringing strikes, and that's damn impressive.
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: scrub49 on February 05, 2014, 09:36:39 AM
I believe the rift has more to do with some of the players had to do the point system to be exempt and the PBA gave Belmo what some think was given a free ride.
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: NHLfan88 on February 05, 2014, 09:39:19 AM
Didn't they just throw that match together because they had the TV time, etc and were supposed to have another Chris Paul celebrity thing?  I know Patrick Allen was bummed because he was gonna get paid to bowl in it.  I think they cancelled it because CP3 was injured.
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: MrNickRo on February 05, 2014, 09:42:54 AM
If that's the case, I understand the gripe.  Belmo won more that some do for winning a PBA telecasted tournament.  It's been addressed here many times, but the $ situation is a sad one indeed.
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: djones on February 05, 2014, 09:44:32 AM
Best part was getting to listen to Barnes. Best communicator and most knowledge in the sport.

You can bet that if Belmonte was throwing something made in Kentucky, Couch and Jones would not be bitching about 2-handers.
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: ImBackInTheGame on February 05, 2014, 10:17:25 AM
I always enjoy it when Barnes is in the booth. 

As for 2 handed bowling, I think they all recognized the fact that Belmo has always bowled that way and has put a lot of work into his craft.  His balance at the line is impeccable, his accuracy and ability to adjust is amazing and his spare shooting is spot on.  If it was all because of 2 handers having a large pocket, then we would see more Osku, but Osku has spare shooting issues and I don't think he is as versatile.

Two handed is not easy, but if you can be accurate and pick up spares, there is most certainly an advantage.  I know I won't be trying it anytime soon though, I have accuracy issues with one hand, lol.

Jason Couch annoyed me especially since he's a lefty and also had somewhat of an "advantage" during his career.
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: Long Gone Daddy on February 05, 2014, 10:23:59 AM
Loved Couch's outspokeness on two handed bowling.  Tommy Jones agreed with him but he was more tactful.  Barnes wants to be a broadcaster so he was the most PC about it but he wasn't that enthusiastic about the two handed style either.  Belmonte was shoved down ours and the touring players' throats by the USBC and the PBA.  Still not seeing the two handed "revolution" they were hoping for.  At practice the other day there was a teen boy who was trying to throw it two handed.  I gave him some tips about what he was doing different from what Belmonte does.  I said its an interesting style but if you want to bowl as you get older you would be better off learning how to throw the ball like Pete Weber.  He said he would watch tapes of Weber and compare the two styles and make a choice.  Hope he goes Weber style.
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: BallReviews-Removed0385 on February 05, 2014, 10:43:11 AM

I agree with Long Gone Daddy in regards to Belmo.  There is no doubt he's talented, etc., but since he's been on board the PBA has made him their "poster child" and anything he does gets attention.  The other players aren't chopped liver, but you'd never know it...

Regarding the match, I thought it was entertaining all the way.  Rash bowled well and Belmo did, too striking at the very end to win it.  Someone had to win and the other had to lose, but over time each one will probably win his share.
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: TWOHAND834 on February 05, 2014, 11:08:44 AM
I thought the Clash was well done.  This should give the PBA some new ideas for tv formats.  Instead of a 4 person tv finals doing a stepladder; why not do a situation like they did for Team USA Trials?  Have 2 guys bowling on one pair and the other 2 bowling on another pair simultaneously?  They do 2 game matches with total pinfall moving on to the final where you take the 2 winners of those matches for the Championship. 

I, too, would like to see more Clashes in the future.  Heck, maybe instead of doing team events outdoors for a Summer Swing; each week you have a clash of two different bowlers with the winners of each show getting together the last week for a Final Clash. I am curious as to what the ratings were for that Clash last week.
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: storm making it rain on February 05, 2014, 11:15:42 AM
I watched and it was an ok telecast.  It does get kinda of boring just watching the same two guys in my opinion.  I actually would like a show where maybe they only televise the top 3 players in a step ladder and use the remainder of the show showing highlights of the qualifying/match play rounds.  Obviously this wouldn't work for LIVE shows, but how many live shows are there now-a-days anyhow.

I also liked having bowlers in the broadcast booth.  They give real insight/opinions other than just the "i'll try to spice this up stuff"  It was also very apparent Couch doesn't think very highly of Belmo.  All in all it was a good show
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: ImBackInTheGame on February 05, 2014, 11:27:44 AM
I didn't mind the clash, but they have to figure a way to exploit other rivalries.  The Belmo v Rash is getting old.  They just happen to be 2 of the best bowlers in the PBA right now and they supposedly don't like eachother (I think they overplayed that a bit on the telecast though it was maybe more true during the whole "bottlegate" incident.)

I think it was maybe Couch that brought it up, but fans of the PBA don't want to see these guys all the time, we see them enough on telecasts as it is.
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: MrNickRo on February 05, 2014, 11:36:02 AM
I like the three game format because you can watch them move through the transition. 
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: NHLfan88 on February 05, 2014, 11:37:39 AM
There was no transition.  Belmo made one ball change, and since they play two different parts of the lane they stayed out of eachother's way.
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: tattoo4139 on February 05, 2014, 11:42:23 AM
It wqs a good match. Im sick of belmonte
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: MrNickRo on February 05, 2014, 12:01:26 PM
There was no transition.  Belmo made one ball change, and since they play two different parts of the lane they stayed out of eachother's way.

Fine.  I like the visual break down with the blue oil and watching them move left, even though it was only slightly.
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: Long Gone Daddy on February 05, 2014, 12:38:23 PM
I watched and it was an ok telecast.  It does get kinda of boring just watching the same two guys in my opinion.  I actually would like a show where maybe they only televise the top 3 players in a step ladder and use the remainder of the show showing highlights of the qualifying/match play rounds.  Obviously this wouldn't work for LIVE shows, but how many live shows are there now-a-days anyhow.

I also liked having bowlers in the broadcast booth.  They give real insight/opinions other than just the "i'll try to spice this up stuff"  It was also very apparent Couch doesn't think very highly of Belmo.  All in all it was a good show

They did that a couple of years ago and the howls of protest have just died down.
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: MTbowler on February 05, 2014, 12:50:20 PM
I watched and it was an ok telecast.  It does get kinda of boring just watching the same two guys in my opinion.  I actually would like a show where maybe they only televise the top 3 players in a step ladder and use the remainder of the show showing highlights of the qualifying/match play rounds.  Obviously this wouldn't work for LIVE shows, but how many live shows are there now-a-days anyhow.

I also liked having bowlers in the broadcast booth.  They give real insight/opinions other than just the "i'll try to spice this up stuff"  It was also very apparent Couch doesn't think very highly of Belmo.  All in all it was a good show

If you want to see qualifying/match play rounds & any other telecast or match play, just get Xtraframe. It is only $65 dollars a year! Xtraframe is a great feature that the PBA has worked very hard to get going. Without our support, it will die out just like the PBA has over the years. The sport needs new interest and new supporters and it all starts with us!
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: NHLfan88 on February 05, 2014, 01:59:20 PM
xtrama = listening to 2 fat dudes breathe into a microphone while a cell phone sized camera transmits a standard def feed to your computer.
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: ccrider on February 05, 2014, 02:04:19 PM
xtrama = listening to 2 fat dudes breathe into a microphone while a cell phone sized camera transmits a standard def feed to your computer.
I like extraframe.  It allows me to watch bowling that I would not otherwise see for a measly 65 bucks a year.
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: NHLfan88 on February 05, 2014, 02:05:55 PM
its not a bad idea.  i wish you could choose which pair you watched though.
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: storm making it rain on February 05, 2014, 02:06:31 PM
I don't need to see the whole match play or qualifying rounds, just highlights.  I have kids which equals no time during the week to watch a computer screen.  Highlights of how the players got there/ players that just missed the cut, etc.  I support bowling 100 times more than a $65 fee for xtra frame. 
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: MTbowler on February 05, 2014, 02:32:18 PM
It's not about supporting bowling. We all support that through league fees and USBC membership fees, etc. I am talking about supporting the PBA. We all talk about the limited TV time and measly winnings, yet we don't take the time to support the broadcasts they work hard to produce, (aka xtraframe).

I agree, it would be nice to watch any pair you want. That would be awesome. The only way that will happen, is to increase the subscribers by __ amount. It's hard to say what it would take, but the bottom line is the more revenue the PBA can generate, the better the productions will be. If the broadcasts on ESPN had better ratings, they would get more air time, better time slots, etc.
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: Coach Bonesaw on February 05, 2014, 02:58:21 PM
I thought it was an awesome television event and loved every second of it. I look forward to more Clashes and more PBA stars helping commentate.
Title: Re: CLASH--- Belmonte v. Rash
Post by: tommyboy74 on February 05, 2014, 09:15:28 PM
It was actually a pretty good show, good bowling from both. 

We do know one thing though.  Jason Couch hates the two handed style as he called it a travesty to the sport.