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Gizmo823

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Unfortunate perspective . . and it turns out it's mine
« on: January 23, 2014, 10:44:23 AM »
Won't edit what I originally posted . . but I wanted to add the disclaimer and admit that I'm in the wrong here.  I think it's sad (personally if nothing else) that the game and the stigma is such that people go straight to negativity before hearing the whole story, and I'm definitely guilty of it here.  Apologies. 

I ran across this on another site, and while I can understand the poster's enthusiasm, it's unfortunate.  The phrase "FINALLY got my FIRST 300," to me just represents everything that's wrong with bowling.  It's like it's a rite of passage now instead of an accomplishment.  I know we've beat the horse for years over this, but how do we appreciate the score or rather appreciate the bowler's feelings without reinforcing this kind of thinking?  How do we change the trend?  I remember being ecstatic about my first 300, 800, and all the rest after that, and you're lying if you say honor scores aren't still fun, despite the actual circumstances.  You definitely don't want to dampen someone's enthusiasm, but I guess what also gets me is when people say "first," like they just naturally expect more will come.  I understand saying first if you have several, it's just a descriptive term, but saying first when you just have one SEEMS arrogant, if unintentionally, though that's the culture.  I don't think they're saying it to be cocky, there just honestly aren't that many people out there who just have one.  It seems like people either don't have any or have several, so it's perfectly logical to expect more once you get one, but it's just a disturbing trend. 
« Last Edit: January 23, 2014, 11:44:01 AM by Gizmo823 »
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Re: Unfortunate perspective . . and it turns out it's mine
« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2014, 05:27:14 PM »
Gizmo, does your shop now keep records of customer specs? At the shop I use, all specs are kept. If I need new finger inserts, with a few clicks, my driller knows exactly what I need w/o wasted time. In your case, you could have produced what was done for this past customer and ended the debate. If this guy had outside work done, you could have simply asked him to go to the other shop. This would have easily defused the situation.



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Re: Unfortunate perspective . . and it turns out it's mine
« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2014, 05:28:42 PM »
As for the 300, don't most remember the first time? Just sayin'...

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Re: Unfortunate perspective . . and it turns out it's mine
« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2014, 06:35:10 PM »
No, we've had Pro Shop Coordinator ever since I've been working here, and that's been a while.  I was the one that drilled his ball, and that was the funny thing too, I went to his drill sheet, no thumb insert of any kind.  I pulled up his specific detailed invoice, just ball, drilling, and finger inserts, and I showed all this to him.  I also asked he had taken it to somebody else, and he said that we were the only ones that had touched it, that's why he came back into us because, "well you guys were the one that put it in there, so I thought you'd know what it was."  Despite that, he was adamant that something was in there.  Yeah I know it sounds like there's got to be something off with the story, but that's why I remember it so well, I couldn't for the life of me figure out what else I could do. 

Gizmo, does your shop now keep records of customer specs? At the shop I use, all specs are kept. If I need new finger inserts, with a few clicks, my driller knows exactly what I need w/o wasted time. In your case, you could have produced what was done for this past customer and ended the debate. If this guy had outside work done, you could have simply asked him to go to the other shop. This would have easily defused the situation.
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Re: Unfortunate perspective . . and it turns out it's mine
« Reply #49 on: January 27, 2014, 08:44:18 AM »
If that's the case, I don't blame your attitude on the matter. Sounds like he just wanted a whipping boy that night. 






No, we've had Pro Shop Coordinator ever since I've been working here, and that's been a while.  I was the one that drilled his ball, and that was the funny thing too, I went to his drill sheet, no thumb insert of any kind.  I pulled up his specific detailed invoice, just ball, drilling, and finger inserts, and I showed all this to him.  I also asked he had taken it to somebody else, and he said that we were the only ones that had touched it, that's why he came back into us because, "well you guys were the one that put it in there, so I thought you'd know what it was."  Despite that, he was adamant that something was in there.  Yeah I know it sounds like there's got to be something off with the story, but that's why I remember it so well, I couldn't for the life of me figure out what else I could do. 

Gizmo, does your shop now keep records of customer specs? At the shop I use, all specs are kept. If I need new finger inserts, with a few clicks, my driller knows exactly what I need w/o wasted time. In your case, you could have produced what was done for this past customer and ended the debate. If this guy had outside work done, you could have simply asked him to go to the other shop. This would have easily defused the situation.

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Re: Unfortunate perspective . . and it turns out it's mine
« Reply #50 on: January 27, 2014, 11:08:17 AM »
Ah the 300 argument (and other honor scores). This topic will always be discussed.

Here is an article in NY Times from 2007 on the 900 series.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/01/sports/othersports/01bowling.html?fta=y&_r=0

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Why a 900 Series Just Isn’t What It Used to Be
By NEIL AMDUR
Published: July 1, 2007

Twenty-five years ago today, Glenn Allison bowled three consecutive 300 games, the first to record the feat in a sanctioned league. But nothing has been the same in the sport since Allison’s 36 strikes in a row were initially heralded, then, after a protracted legal fight, disallowed because of what officials cited as noncomplying conditions at La Habra 300 Bowl in California.

 
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In 1982, in a time of plastic balls and wooden lanes, Glenn Allison rolled three 300 games in a row for a 900 series. The feat was later disallowed.
High-tech balls and synthetic lanes have replaced the plastic and wood of Allison’s era. Higher scores and dwindling memberships are dividing purists and recreational bowlers over the sport’s priorities. Even the once-sacred 900 series and the 300 game have become so common that bowling parties have upstaged late-night leagues.

In the last 10 years, 12 sanctioned 900 series have been bowled, including two by Robert Mushtare, an 18-year-old from Carthage, N.Y., who also rolled a third that was disallowed by the United States Bowling Congress. But the most startling statistic is the number of 300 games: 51,162 in 2004-5 and 56,212 in 2005-6. In 1981-82, the total (which did not include the few 300 games by women and children) was 5,949.

"It’s easy conditions that’s kept my average up, not excessive talent," said Allison, 77, who was averaging 215 and 227 in two summer leagues. He added, "I’m truthfully a 190 average now."

Even Mushtare, who said he tried to bowl 10 games a day, found himself having to defend the three perfect series he rolled at the Pine Plains Bowling Center in Fort Drum, N.Y., from November 2005 to February 2006. "They thought I cheated and was lying," he said during a telephone interview last week. "I can understand where it was coming from. Jealousy is a factor, too."

Four other bowlers as far back as 1931 preceded Allison with 900 scores, but none were in a sanctioned league or under tournament conditions. Allison said he was not upset that noncompliance with oil distribution on his lanes left him as an asterisk in bowling record books. If Allison rolled a 900 series in a league tonight, it would be approved without an inspection. Rule changes now allow for season-long certification of lanes, another accommodation that rankles traditionalists.

But as tennis and golf have had technical and tactical shifts in their sports with the introduction of new equipment, science has found bowling. Allison used one ball for every shot, but many league and pro bowlers now have three or four. The new balls "grip the lanes better," he said, creating a coefficient of friction that is much higher than years ago. "You can buy a hook with these new balls, and it’s so much easier," Allison said.

La Habra 300 Bowl is commemorating the anniversary of Allison’s achievement with a tournament this weekend. Allison, who has been working the desk there for the last seven years and is affectionately known as Mr. 900, will join in the celebration.

"It’s an altogether different game," said Mickey Curley, who has worked at the lanes for 44 years and whose son Dennis bowled with Allison on the night of his perfect series. "Fitting and drilling bowling balls now is a science."

Roger Dalkin, the chief executive of the United States Bowling Congress, said: "One of the difficulties we have as a governing body is trying to manage the technology and not eliminate it. There’s always a debate: What’s too much, what’s too easy?"

Registered membership in the bowling congress fell to 2.7 million last year from close to 10 million in 1982. But according to Simmons Research, 70 million Americans (37 million men, 33 million women) bowl at least once a year, and many are prepared to spend $10 a game and more for the lively social activities at places like Bowlmor Lanes in Manhattan.

The bowling congress has also initiated Sport Bowling, a division that tries to emulate pro tour-type conditions for more serious competitors. Begun three years ago, it has 40,000 members and has doubled in membership each of the last three years.

"Thirty years ago, 90 percent of bowling was leagues," Mark Miller, a bowling congress spokesman, said by telephone from Las Vegas, where the Bowl Expo, which ended Friday, attracted 5,000 exhibitors, including bowling center proprietors and product manufacturers. "Now, 60 percent of all bowling is recreational. The game has changed, and you can’t go backwards."

Allison is adjusting with the times. He uses a 14-pound ball instead of a 15-pounder. Mushtare, who prefers the 16, said, "If you can throw 16, throw 16." Allison, a member of the Bowling Hall of Fame, recently moved into ninth place for career pinfall with more than 103,000 and has his sights set on the leader Joe Norris’s 120,000-plus total. While teasing Allison as the Old Man, Curley praised his longevity."He’s the greatest," she said. "Some things change in our sport, but the place wouldn’t be the same without him."

I like's Mushtare's Quote...."Jealousy is a factor, too."
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Re: Unfortunate perspective . . and it turns out it's mine
« Reply #51 on: January 28, 2014, 10:44:08 AM »
Gizmo, you get so agitated about things so often and so quickly that it really does leave the impression that you're a cranky, bitter old soul that will never be happy.  Now, some people might interpret that as just being a pissy guy that wants to have something to complain about, and some might attribute that to your self-identified perfectionism, but either way the majority of your posts are irritating and depressing.  Let's talk about something positive for a change, people get sick of complaining and arguing all the time. 

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Re: Unfortunate perspective . . and it turns out it's mine
« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2014, 06:48:18 AM »
Gizmo,
Just an update, shot my second 300 last night, just missed 800, needed a double in the tenth and stoned a 9 pin on the first ball, finished with 782.

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Re: Unfortunate perspective . . and it turns out it's mine
« Reply #53 on: February 06, 2014, 07:58:33 AM »
Man that was quick . . nice!

Gizmo,
Just an update, shot my second 300 last night, just missed 800, needed a double in the tenth and stoned a 9 pin on the first ball, finished with 782.
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