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CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST THE USBC
« on: May 13, 2005, 04:36:39 AM »
OK...If this balance hole/CG issue becomes law????

MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF BOWLING BALLS NOW BECOME USELESS!!!!

Spoke to My attorney & friend last night about these new USBC proposals....He feels there is a Strong Case for a LAW SUIT If these proposals pass..

#1- Why is there a balance hole in about 20 of My bowling balls?...ANSWER...I had to do this to make these balls legal under the ABC static weight rules

#2-What can Be done to fix these 20 Bowling balls?....ANSWER....Nothing because if You plug these balls & try to redrill them....the marked CG has now changed because of the plug

My attorney told Me He would strongly consider to start this CLASS ACTION SUIT if this Rule does pass....So who is with ME??????
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Re: CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST THE USBC
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2005, 12:46:25 PM »
First off, I am no lawyer and when it comes to legal matters, I am about a dumb as a stump. The problem I see here is that the governing body that set and enforced the original rules no longer exist. Companies change rules and regulations all the time as does the government. I remember when emission testing for cars went into effect, the people whose vehicles no longer passed inspection were screaming law suits. But nothing ever happened. Good luck to you.
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Re: CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST THE USBC
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2005, 12:49:49 PM »
While I am no lawyer, I suspect it would come down to choice. You chose to incorporate a layout which required the use of a weight hole to comply. I dont think there could be a class action lawsuite based on choice.

Additionally, they governing body is allowing continued use through a period whereby todays bowling ball would likely reach its life expectancy anyway.

I would suspect there would be some compromise to the length of time these balls stay in service instead of forcing a private organization with rules we agree to participate with to pay a fee.

Even if winning, it would cause our yearly fees to increase to pay the lawsuite which ends up costing us anyway.


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Re: CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST THE USBC
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2005, 12:59:03 PM »
The USBC doesn't say you can't still use what you have - in open or unsanctioned play - therefore, your equipment can still be used - it is not as you say, rendered "useless".  It's just that if you CHOOSE to participate in USBC sanctioned leagues or tourneys, you must adhere to the guidelines and equipment rules in place.  No different than if you tried to play in any other league or tournament that is sanctioned (regardless of if it's bowling or other sports).  You simply follow the rules or you don't compete.

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Re: CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST THE USBC
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2005, 01:01:21 PM »
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Re: CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST THE USBC
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2005, 01:04:27 PM »
I was talking to a few bowlers from my scratch league and my men's league.  We decided that we probably just wouldn't sanction our leagues.  We'd come up with our own sanction and awards program for the league.
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Re: CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST THE USBC
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2005, 01:40:50 PM »
I think you would lose this one and don't think a lawyer would take this case.
The issue for the USBC is, "How can we get a control on scoring and who is going to pay for it?" Mo Pinel is angry since his layouts are going to be flagged. The bowler is angry cause he is going to have to plug his holes in the near future. (by the way most of us will have new equipment by then anyway so those who think how devastating this is to them and the cost to them need to get a reality check. You are going to have to find a new drilling that's all.)
  I read Mo's article a few years back that said that the issue could be resolved by changing the pin. But who would pay for that? The bowling proprietors but really the bowler once again since the cost of new pins would be put upon fee increases.  Just Ranting.
 

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Re: CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST THE USBC
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2005, 05:17:00 PM »
Consider getting a new lawyer, because your current one isn't very bright.

The only way you could have a suit against ABC/USBC is if the layout that required a balance hole was a requirement before the new rules.
It wasn't and you made your own consious decision to lay it out in a manner that required the balance hole.

They would hear the judge laughing in China if a lawyer petitioned this suit.
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Re: CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST THE USBC
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2005, 05:44:16 PM »
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we probably just wouldn't sanction our leagues. We'd come up with our own sanction and awards program for the league.

This seems to be the prevailing opinion. And it isn't so much the weight holes that bother me - it's otherwise perfectly good equipment, that MEETS ALL THE OTHER CRITERIA, but just doesn't have the USBC logo on the ball... GRRRRR....
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Re: CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST THE USBC
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2005, 06:46:53 PM »
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Additionally, they governing body is allowing continued use through a period whereby todays bowling ball would likely reach its life expectancy anyway.


Agreed!  The way people on BR go through balls, the stuff they are throwing won't be around 6 months from now!  I saw a listing for balls for sale that said something like "Less than 9 games - little to no track."  Track up a ball in 9 games?  Good grief!  My buddy had been using the same ball since '93, bowling in league just about every year and that ball didn't have a track! Must be 9 games in the parking lot!  *** sorry for detour, now back to the subject ***

 
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I was talking to a few bowlers from my scratch league and my men's league. We decided that we probably just wouldn't sanction our leagues. We'd come up with our own sanction and awards program for the league.

What if different regions had their own sanctioning?  I bowl in VA, and we have the NCABA (national capitol area bowling assoc).  What if they decided to become their own sanctioning body?  Is that possible?  That would cover VA, MD, and DC.  You could have similar associations all over the country.

Personally I don't care about the changes - I think the logo thing is stupid, but that is for the manufacturers to fight with the USBC.  The drilling stuff I guess I would just figure out how to make it work. I only have 1 ball with an X-hole, and I'm still learning this sport/game so I still suck and have a hard enough time hitting my mark to be worried about weight holes
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Re: CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST THE USBC
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2005, 06:49:35 PM »
may have been answered already but what about house balls??? Will they also need to have the USBC Label on them? And will leagues be able to adopt a rule of their own against it?
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Re: CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST THE USBC
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2005, 10:43:04 PM »
I see the house ball issue as a big one. I also see bowlers who have undrilled balls as being another potential issue. Both of these will need to be addressed somehow for sure.
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Re: CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST THE USBC
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2005, 12:30:35 AM »
I really don't like all this uncertainty. Does anyone truly know that a ball that meets specs wont be grandfather in past 2008 just because it does not have the logo, i mean wow how can this do any good for the sport? I wish they would give more details of the proposal, like are they going to have some way of engraving the logo on.

I think everyone just needs to chill alittle its jsut a proposal that i doubt most parts will go through. I would be in a rage if i had stock pile of balls though.


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Re: CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST THE USBC
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2005, 12:11:53 PM »
you guys are worring about what ball you will be allowd to use in 2008?
What year is this? 2005
Wow you guys must get a lot more miles out of a ball than I do.

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Re: CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST THE USBC
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2005, 09:17:54 PM »
We as sanctioned bowlers are the USBC.  If you slip on ice in your driveway, do you sue yourself?

Your participation in the USBC is voluntary.  If you want to continue to use your cheater balls, I'm sure there will be a bumper bowling league forming for all the malcontents in the unlikely event that the restrictions are approved.
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