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thewhiz

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clean and dull cleaner
« on: September 17, 2016, 10:37:48 AM »
Anyone like or dislike the clean and dull ball cleaner.  Ad says it cleans and dulls the ball.  Why would you want to dull a shiny ball?

 

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Re: clean and dull cleaner
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2016, 11:50:01 AM »
Clean'N dull is one of the best for removing oil from the coverstock and it doesnt dull the ball.

The name is misleading, they meant originally that it leaves dull balls dull it didnt shine them up like say a cleaner polish would. So your sanded ball was clean and still dull, thus clean'n dull.

The original APP ad said something like "leaves shiny balls shiny and dull balls dull"

As for why you would dull a shiny ball? So it better matches the lane conditions.

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Re: clean and dull cleaner
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2016, 12:18:10 PM »
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Re: clean and dull cleaner
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2016, 12:28:26 PM »
I use the clean and dull on all my dull or non polished equipment and the powerhouse energizer cleaner on my polished equipment. They both work great. Clean them right after bowling leagues before i put them away and ive never had any performance issues. Ball maintenance is key to coverstock longevity

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Re: clean and dull cleaner
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2016, 12:31:27 PM »
would it be better to bring the balls home and clean them on a spinner with the cleaner vs. Doing it at the lanes.

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Re: clean and dull cleaner
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2016, 01:01:04 PM »
I wouldn't use a spinner, I would use clean and dull by hand.

I once used it on a spinner and it "burned" the ball.  I say burned because that is what it looked like, not that is actually caused a fire.  My guess is that a combination of the friction caused by the towel and spinner and the chemicals of the clean-n-dull caused a reaction with the cover stock of the ball and it caused a decoloration.  Cant say that it impacted the ball's reaction, but I noticed quickly and stopped using the spinner.

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Re: clean and dull cleaner
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2016, 01:34:04 PM »
I have used Clean n' Dull with a spinner and by hand. Clean n' Dull may be one of those substances that is better applied by hand. I have not seen a discoloration of the coverstock when I used my spinner, but I think that the heat from the spinner could make Clean n' Dull less effective.

I hope that Charlest will weigh in on this thread.
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Re: clean and dull cleaner
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2016, 02:32:08 PM »
I have used Clean n' Dull with a spinner and by hand. Clean n' Dull may be one of those substances that is better applied by hand. I have not seen a discoloration of the coverstock when I used my spinner, but I think that the heat from the spinner could make Clean n' Dull less effective.

I hope that Charlest will weigh in on this thread.

Why? enough has been said already.

But if you insist -
Clean and Dull is one of, if not THE strongest cleaners available for a bowling ball.
Because the process involves using the cleaner then using a damp paper towel to remove the remnants and then a dry paper towel to clean the ball and because of the cleaner's strength, I only use it at home, by had, with a good set of gloves to protect my hands. I only use strong paper towels, like Bounty, because I throw them away after use.

I would recommend you not use C&D at the lanes; there are plenty of good spray-on, bowling-specific cleaners that do a good job along with a micro-fiber towel and that are convenient and easy to use at the lanes. Balls MUST be cleaned at the lanes to remove the oil from the surface. If you wait to do it at home, the oil will already have been absorbed. Too late!

Normally I use C&D at home, every 9 -15 games.When I rub it on initially, I try to keep the towel in and rub one half the ball, sitting in a ball cup,for about 45 - 60 seconds; then I use a damp paper towel and then a dry one. I turn the ball over and do the same on the other half.
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Re: clean and dull cleaner
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2016, 05:01:51 PM »
I've used Clean'N Dull for years starting back when it came from the original company Advanced Polishing Products (A.P.P.).

It can easily be used on a spinner with no problem as long as your applying it properly.

If you apply excessive pressure and/or spin it a long time and generate a lot of heat applying C'nD the product will form a glaze on the ball typically.

Or if your applicator hasn't been cleaned too often and has a heavy buildup of the product on it, you can get a glaze on the ball. (Which happened to alot to those that used the wool applicator pad, because they didn't clean it.)

So don't use too much pressure or spin too long, keep your applicator clean and your okay.

here's a org. demo of A.P.P C'nD showing it used with a spinner.


Note where he says C'nD is legal to use during ABC competition, has seen been changed. It's only legal for before/after use.



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Re: clean and dull cleaner
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2016, 05:21:48 PM »
I have used Clean n' Dull with a spinner and by hand. Clean n' Dull may be one of those substances that is better applied by hand. I have not seen a discoloration of the coverstock when I used my spinner, but I think that the heat from the spinner could make Clean n' Dull less effective.

I hope that Charlest will weigh in on this thread.

Why? enough has been said already.

But if you insist -
Clean and Dull is one of, if not THE strongest cleaners available for a bowling ball.
Because the process involves using the cleaner then using a damp paper towel to remove the remnants and then a dry paper towel to clean the ball and because of the cleaner's strength, I only use it at home, by had, with a good set of gloves to protect my hands. I only use strong paper towels, like Bounty, because I throw them away after use.

I would recommend you not use C&D at the lanes; there are plenty of good spray-on, bowling-specific cleaners that do a good job along with a micro-fiber towel and that are convenient and easy to use at the lanes. Balls MUST be cleaned at the lanes to remove the oil from the surface. If you wait to do it at home, the oil will already have been absorbed. Too late!

Normally I use C&D at home, every 9 -15 games.When I rub it on initially, I try to keep the towel in and rub one half the ball, sitting in a ball cup,for about 45 - 60 seconds; then I use a damp paper towel and then a dry one. I turn the ball over and do the same on the other half.

When you use a damp paper towel, do you find using water or iso alcohol do a better job removing C&D residue or haze it leaves on the ball?
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Re: clean and dull cleaner
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2016, 07:11:03 PM »
I have used Clean n' Dull with a spinner and by hand. Clean n' Dull may be one of those substances that is better applied by hand. I have not seen a discoloration of the coverstock when I used my spinner, but I think that the heat from the spinner could make Clean n' Dull less effective.

I hope that Charlest will weigh in on this thread.

Why? enough has been said already.

But if you insist -
Clean and Dull is one of, if not THE strongest cleaners available for a bowling ball.
Because the process involves using the cleaner then using a damp paper towel to remove the remnants and then a dry paper towel to clean the ball and because of the cleaner's strength, I only use it at home, by had, with a good set of gloves to protect my hands. I only use strong paper towels, like Bounty, because I throw them away after use.

I would recommend you not use C&D at the lanes; there are plenty of good spray-on, bowling-specific cleaners that do a good job along with a micro-fiber towel and that are convenient and easy to use at the lanes. Balls MUST be cleaned at the lanes to remove the oil from the surface. If you wait to do it at home, the oil will already have been absorbed. Too late!

Normally I use C&D at home, every 9 -15 games.When I rub it on initially, I try to keep the towel in and rub one half the ball, sitting in a ball cup,for about 45 - 60 seconds; then I use a damp paper towel and then a dry one. I turn the ball over and do the same on the other half.

When you use a damp paper towel, do you find using water or iso alcohol do a better job removing C&D residue or haze it leaves on the ball?

Water works just fine. It is what was originally recommended by APP.
FYI the instructions I gave you are just about the same as was put on the original bottle of C&D by APP.
(Track originally marketed C&D on license from APP, as fr as I know. When Ebonite Int'l bought the Columbia family, Columbia300, Track, AMF, & Dyno-Thane, they also bought their license to market  C&D. EBI now markets it through their Powerhouse brand BUT without the full original instructions. Why? I do not know.)
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