If you get 1 mark in the 10th, is it considered a clean game?  I'm fairly sure that if you get a spare and change in the 10th, it should be a clean game, but I'm wondering more about a strike, then, say, a 7 count, then a 2.

Just something I've been wondering about for some time, and everyone seems to have a different answer.
Thanks!

For those who don't think a X9- in the tenth constitutes a clean game, would you return your 30 clean jackpot money at Nationals?  I personally feel X9- in the tenth is a clean game.  But I see I am in the minority here.

No, because I understand the criteria before I participate and have agreed to it.  Those are the rules set forth for that jackpot in that tournament.  If I went X9- that is counted as clean in that tournament (I wouldn't personally consider it clean by my own definition) but there's nothing wrong w/collecting there b/c it fits the criteria.  We're separating my opinion (and that's what it is on this topic) on a clean game vs an established criteria in a specific tournament. 

In situations where our team makes up the rules X9- loses the bacon.

I like this game, and I will be taking it to my team tonight.  So if I understand this correctly, bowler #1 could have a crappy game with ten open frames for a wopping total of about 90.  Bowler 5 (the anchor) could end up bowling a 299, but with 1 pin left on the deck at the end of the game - the anchor has to pass the $5 to bowler #1.  With my team that could actually happen. I love it.  We're playing that tonight.

XX9 in the 10th for 299 is a winner.

If bowler 5 goes X9- it would drop to bowler 1 BUT if bowler 1 has already finished with an open in the 10th it would drop again to bowler 2.

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USBC claim notwithstanding, I would be pissed at myself if I struck on the first shot, got count on the second and did not clean it up.  To me, it would CEASE to be a clean game at that point.

This is my viewpoint.  I PERSONALLY don't count X9- as a clean game.

This, I agree with.

My team also does a traveling $5.  Everyone puts up $1 at the start of the game.  Every game a new person starts with it (week 1 bowler 1 would start with it game 1, bowler 2 starts with it game 2, bowler 3 starts with it game 3.........then week 2 bowler 4 starts with it etc...).

For ANY open it drops to the next person, whoever is in possession of it at the end of the game wins.  Start with the $5 and have a clean game, you win.  YOU determine your fate with it.

X9- you will drop it in the 10th.........max penalty is the way it should be IMO.

We did that years ago but we called ours Pass Five.

As a new bowler, I thought a clean game was no open frames. This means X9- is not a clean game. X9/ is a clean game. Am I right?

It's all relative and depends on who is defining the term "clean", specifically how we judge the 10th frame against the term "clean".

One camp (as well as the USBC OC jackpot criterion) defines X9- as a "clean frame" and will get you the money.

The other camp (me personally, my team in league) defines X9- as not a "clean frame" and you will not get the money.

That said, I prefer the harshest set of rules to win jackpots.

As a new bowler, I thought a clean game was no open frames. This means X9- is not a clean game. X9/ is a clean game. Am I right?

No, Not according to the classic definition of a "Clean" game.

Which is if you strike or spare on your first ball of the tenth, then it's a clean game the fill ball doesn't count.

My team discussed it last night and decided traveling $5 would be no pins left on the deck at the end of the game counts as a clean game.  So even XX9 isn't considered clean under our rules.  Hey, it's only $5 bucks anyway and it makes it more interesting/fun. 

I forgot to bring it up until after we started but I would have won all three games last night...........horribly, lol.

First game was clean for a 189, 2nd game was clean for a 194, 3d game open in the first/second after making a big move to see if it would work.  It didn't.  Went clean after that for a 203.  It was just one of those nights.  Go a little high and leave a 4, make an adjustment and ring a 10, make another adjustment and stone 9. Then shred the rack and everything spins around the 7.  Rinse and repeat, lol.   At least I converted all of them though.     

I know I will take a lot of heat for this but, ....

I must say I do not understand why this post is lingering.

There is the legal definition, according to the USBC and, then, there is the ego definition that so many have espoused:
that unless the 11th and 12th frames are clean, the game cannot be considered "clean".
They seem to take the more "ethical", the more "moral" high ground than the legal definition. I'm not sure if this makes them feel they are a better bowler or not. I just do not understand.

If you do feel this way, why not petition the USBC to change the definition; so we all can meet the same standards.

Personally I don't care what the definition is. While I'd like every frame to be clean, if the USBC says someone, I or anyone else, has one, so be it: they define the rules. It is the power we have given them.

I hear ya.  Thrown a clean 185 and 205 (with reactives) in the last couple days so clean games are nice but sometimes its nice to string some strikes too.