Author Topic: Who knows this rule to fight sandbagging? (Read 1332 times)

Rodan · « **on:** May 04, 2005, 01:27:33 PM »

I was reading a forum on another site and a league rule for fighting sandbagging was mentioned but no detailed explanation was given on how it worked. Can someone please explain what a (5 or 10) pin drop rule is? (Other than our old pinsetting equipment taking a dump on the pin deck?)

Thanks,

Rod

ThongPrincess · « **Reply #1 on:** May 05, 2005, 01:49:03 AM »

In a travel league I bowled they had the 10 pin drop rule. Entering average was the previous years book. If your book average dropped more than 10 pins in a season, then you came in at an average that was half the difference. For example, the bowler booked 200 in the '03-'04 season and booked 186 in the '04-'05 season. Rather than entter at the 186 average, the bowler would enter at 193, half the difference between the 186 and 200.

If the drop was greater than 20 pins, the bowler comes in only 10 pins less than the higher average. Not sure how it prevents sandbagging, but that was what it meant in this league.
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purduepaul · « **Reply #2 on:** May 05, 2005, 08:53:23 AM »

But here ya go...almost my whole house a lot of the good bowlers dropped 10 or more pins due to the head mechanic not being able to work the machines...I'd say 60% of us are ten pins under our cards from last year.

I wasn't sandbagging this year, I just struggled.
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rackattack · « **Reply #3 on:** May 05, 2005, 11:02:06 PM »

encino has it right.Ten is a lot though.Mostly I've seen the drop limit at 5.
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Rodan · « **Reply #4 on:** May 06, 2005, 10:15:32 PM »

Thanks for the informative replies everyone. Sandbagging can't be eliminated entirely but a 5 or 10 pin drop rule would at least put some limits on it. I plan on recommending such a rule in our fall league as we had 2 habitual offenders on the same team this past season. One of them won 'most improved bowler' because they sandbagged so badly and this person has been bowling for 20 years or more!

Rod

nd300 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 06, 2005, 10:28:36 PM »

I'd love to find a way to deal with this myself. There's a bowler in one of the leagues I bowl in who regularly goes to half a dozen big money tourneys every year. He usually is in the top 20 or better at tourney's end. Yet when we bowled against him one night this year one of my team mates said " He's only a 187 bowler. Why are you worried about him?" This teammate is knowledgeable and has known this person longer than I have. Why he said this still mystifies me to this day.
Needless to say we lost all four points. A combination of them bowling well---4 600 plus series and one 725-----verses my high on the team of 669 that night.
I beat the above mentioned bowler,but only because he didn't have the right equipment that night to combat the lanes whne they dried out.
How would you deal with a bowler who books this average,yet makes money every year on tourneys?
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seadrive · « **Reply #6 on:** May 07, 2005, 01:12:51 PM »

I got screwed by the 5-pin drop rule this year. My "old" house closed, and I signed up for a league in a house I've never bowled in. The shot in the old house was probably the easiest in all of Long Island, so my average at the "new" house was initially almost 15 pins lower. As a result, I've been giving away almost 10 pins of handicap for most of the season.

With lane conditions making such a huge difference in scoring potential, it doesn't make sense to impose the 5-pin drop rule on someone coming from another house. I understand the desire to limit sandbagging, but sometimes it results in situations that are clearly unfair.

Seems like trying to fix one problem always has the potential to create other problems <sigh>...
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #7 on:** May 07, 2005, 11:55:16 PM »

The best sandbagger I ever saw did a similar thing but better, year after year!

He would get his team out ahead by throwing a seven bagger or eight bagger while throwing no thumb. Then he would put his thumb in and throw the same line and and hit the same mark and leave 3 consecutive buckets or mixed with flat 10s.

Still hitting his mark still with feet in the same place and the ball almost looked the same both ways(a few more revs no thumb).

All of a sudden thumb out and the next game starts with a seven bagger. Many the series of 630 was shot when a low 7 or better was what should have been shot!

REgards,

Luckylefty

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