Author Topic: CONFUSED-P.B.A. league shots not reacting..... (Read 5387 times)

Juggernaut · « **on:** June 04, 2008, 07:06:53 AM »

anything like I was expecting, or was told. I've even been to the bowl.com site, watching the vids and listening to the pros talk about how they are playing the shots, but that doesn't seem to be working here.

Last week, played on the cheetah. Supposed to be a "high risk/high reward" type of shot, usually having breakpoint out close to the gutter. I tried to play it that way with little or no results. The high average for the night was standing 18, throwing up 12 with a lot of speed, shooting a 630.

Last night, we has the scorpion. Supposed to be a shot played in around the tenth board without a lot of swing, holding the ball in the pocket with speed control. I tried this with again little or no success. The high average for the night was standing 12, whistling rockets up the 5 board, shooting a 659 while the only shot I could find was to move left with my feet on 38 playing the fourth arrow. Didn't even try that until 1/2 the last game was over because NOBODY has ever said that was the way to play this shot.

Now, two weeks in, shots not reacting like ANYONE ( that knows ) says they should, and I am averaging a whopping 160 something trying to play them like the professionals say they should be played, and watching a couple of guys throw whistling rockets down the lane the first two weeks and being the only ones to score anything.

I am really beginning to wonder if the shots are being put out correctly or not, and not just because my scores are low, but because the ones having any success are NOT playing the shots the way the professionals shooting the videos say the shots should be played. And, if the shots aren't correct, what was the purpose of a PBA experience league if its not really the PBA shots?
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shelley · « **Reply #1 on:** June 04, 2008, 03:12:25 PM »

Are they cleaning the backends properly? Real PBA lane conditions call for double-stripping the backend. If they're not, then you'll be getting some of whatever was left over from before they laid the patterns down. That can severely impact the way the lanes are played.

What kind of oil, what kind of lane machine, what kind of lane bed, what and what condition is the lane surface in? All those affect how the patterns play. On real slick, new, synthetic surfaces, the Shark pattern may start out deep and end up deeper, while on broken-in wood with lots of friction, it may play more towards the track area.

Brian Green · « **Reply #2 on:** June 04, 2008, 03:12:39 PM »

are you bowling on wood or synthetic lanes...... Based on what your saying it sounds like your bowling on wood lanes.... The pba patterns hardly ever play like they are meant to on woodlanes......... at least from what i have seen
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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #3 on:** June 04, 2008, 03:27:30 PM »

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curious, where do i find the videos on bowl.com? i don't particularly have any expectation of being able to play the patterns the way they're "supposed" to play, just want a general idea going in.

http://www.bowl.com/sportbowling/pbaLaneConditions.aspx

Juggernaut · « **Reply #4 on:** June 04, 2008, 03:42:32 PM »

Shelley,
I highly doubt the double stripping. I have watched them run the shots for pre league practice and the machine only makes a single pass down and back and I was watching the led light indicators. The stripper was only running on the way down.

Brian Green,

We are playing on full synthetic lanes, although I don't know the brand.

Usedtolikebowling,

Hadn't really thought much about your second point, but it is one that is well taken. I, too, have finally decided to just move in deep and get the ball just right of the pocket and let it roll up, hoping I can get it to roll enough to carry the corners.
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THEICEMAN · « **Reply #5 on:** June 05, 2008, 08:17:10 AM »

Also remember now that all the PBA patterns are falling into that 3 to 1 ratio "sport" group that the bounce off the gutter has been some what taken away. If you play out there you can still open it up fairly quick with some help. I know we bowled on it a couple weeks back here in town and we move after the first two games. The first pair everything hooked early on. Tried up the gutter in practice and went left missing the head pin. Kept moving left through practice and ended up once I got lined up in front of the return at about 50 throwing 22 at the arrows to the outside break mark, with a Hole Pounder Pearl. By the middle of the second game I had chased it back right 15 boards to get to the pocket. Once we moved pairs to the low end of the house a buddy asked how they where on the high end and when I told him he said not here, throw up 2 or 3 and if you miss in around 5 it just skates. Did exactly that and had a good look. But, again once we got in to the second game oil carried down and I had to go stronger equipment. Switched to my polished Buzzbomb.

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« **Reply #6 on:** June 05, 2008, 12:32:36 PM »

My best advice is slow down in the beginning if you want to have any movement and wait for a line. In my league we switch lanes each game and play 4 games. I see so many guys cranking in down the lane early looking for something that isn't there. I've played 3 patterns Chameleon, Cheatah, and Shark. I whopped butt on shark but only got one win. I swear everyone would just squeek by me in fact one guy had to throw high game to get me. All well I still played great on the shark pattern. I really don't see any lines appearing til the end of second start of third games on these patterns. On Cheatah by the 4th game I was able swing out to the gutter and it would drive to the pocket. The only other thing I've noticed was that on the PBA patterns I could move a 15lb ball 2 boards more than my 16lb balls. I can now see why guys through the 15 if you have to play a PBA pattern.

renoatpikeville · « **Reply #7 on:** June 05, 2008, 12:48:53 PM »

The PBA pros are exactly that, 'pros' and have multiple years on tour (some more than others) with that said they know where to play and break down the lanes.

You state that you tried to play the lanes where you are "supposed" to but that is the problem. You may have great intentions on making a certian line work but if you are the only person playing there while others are playing their typical house line you could be in trouble.

Getting my drift..?

If everyone in league or at least majority of them played where they are "supposed" to play the pattern then yes you will see the pattern like the pro's on t.v.

Hope this can clarify it a bit.

backswing_aplenty · « **Reply #8 on:** June 05, 2008, 01:23:03 PM »

First, it's an "experience" league. You get to experience the differences in lane patterns, surface, and transition the pros see. Often they will play the lanes completely backwards from the videos to start and then move to the "suggested" area as the lanes change.

Second, this is a good lesson on playing the lanes and not the lane graph. Every type of surface will cause the patterns to play different. The normal wear and tear of the lanes will affect them, the house shot characteristics will affect them, where the majority of bowlers play the lanes during the rest of the leagues will affect them.

The answer to all the PBA Experience league pattern questions is play the lanes as they are that night. The named patterns will not play the same as the videos.

It's very unfortunate that that is the case because the PBAX program is a good one I feel. I just wish they would give more caveats as to how the lanes will play on your home surface and how they will most likely play slightly different. I think just us that will allow some bowlers to have a looser idea of how to play the patterns.

In all kudos to everyone bowling the PBA Experience leagues! The more that bowl, the more leagues there will be, and maybe we can get some more bowlers to search out tougher conditions.

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BrianCRX90 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 05, 2008, 10:53:25 PM »

Double stripping the lanes will double your score. Just ask the PBA players.

directdrill · « **Reply #10 on:** June 05, 2008, 11:03:28 PM »

Juggernaut,

I hear your frustration. Don't give up and keep plugging away. I am bowling a PBA Experience league this summer. Surface is old wood with Guardian overlay to the arrows. Tonight we were on the Cheetah. I threw my Awesome Revs (pin down, 4-1/2 x 5, 2000 Abralon) straight up 5 and hit the 3 pin. Moved inside and played straight up 8, resulting in a light hit on the 1-3 pocket. I also used my Rico drilled Quest at 1000 Abralon straight up the boards. We move to a random pair, but a straight shot up 8-10 was the place for me to play for all 4 games.

I would recommend taking a medium oil ball with some surface (say 1000 Abralon) and trying to determine a line. I bowled in this same league last summer and almost always found a shot playing straight up the boards, at least the first game or so. Let your benchmark ball guide you on the lanes, not the videos. Keep us posted on your progress.
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charlest · « **Reply #11 on:** June 06, 2008, 07:34:40 AM »

Juggernaut,

Doncha just love it when they f*ck with your mind and then take your money for the pleasure of doing that TO you? I think you're being screwed over by incompetence, yet again, as so many uncaring proprietors and managers love to do.

I mean, PBA patterns are difficult enough to play as they are defined to be. Oh, and they are designed for good condiiton synthetics. But when you need to try every board betwene the first arrow and the 5th arrow, with every ball you've brought, using every release in your arsenal, by the time you're ready to play THIS UNKNOWN CONDITION/PATTERN, your 3 or 4 game league night is gone.
And all you've got to show for it are more wrinkles and more stress lines.

Been there sick of that. When proprietors prove all they care about is their almighty dollar, I take myself, my balls and my dollars and I go elsewhere. Sometimes, it's a hard lesson sometimes you want to think it's all a mistake somewhere that they will correct if a customer points it out to them, but when the managers tells you "good bowlers adjust" (If I were that good, I'd be making what WRW makes!) and he puts out a shot particular to his style of bowling and he does not have to adjust, you know you've been screwed.

Even PBA players are told what pattern they're facing. And, while not every time it is played the way the book says it is, I'd bet for the most part, on decent synthetic lanes, it is.

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BigBaller · « **Reply #12 on:** June 06, 2008, 04:38:49 PM »

Remember this is a learning expierence. Who cares about score, or if you win the league. It is a chance to learn.
I bowl at Dave Husteds new house in Vancouver Washington. He says they play close to what you will see on tour, they will never be exact.
So what i do is follow what the recomendation is, if it says start deep i start deep, if i should start out i start out. I want to learn, not average 200 because i crossed over and carried brooklin 2-4 times a game.
Who cares about your ego, leave it at the door when you walk in a learn something for a change.
I am a 210-215 average house hack that has a 192 average in the PBAX league, do you think i care... Not one bit. Because it will help me become a better bowler.
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T-GOD · « **Reply #13 on:** June 07, 2008, 12:15:21 AM »

blah, blah, blah, PBA experience crap... learn to bowl on a real good condition. If you can beat bowlers on that, then you're good. =:^D

J_L_B · « **Reply #14 on:** June 07, 2008, 05:17:34 PM »

Play the lane, not the pattern.
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