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Jeffrevs

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Control Ball
« on: August 05, 2003, 07:11:44 PM »
Even though my first sport tournament/experience was a debacle (on the lanes....we had a great time....) but,.....I want to do more tourneys, especially sport. I know it can only make me better !

That being said.......I'm thinking of getting a control ball.  I'm looking for peoples experience with certain balls/drillings that gave them control, or people who have or have had a ball that was marketed as "control".  

I'm thinking Tour Power ( I know, I know, it's gone), Purple Ice Ex, I'm even thinking of a Sonic X Solid drilled 2x5 or 2x2, etc,...etc....

So, have at it folks!  Give me your recommended "control ball / sport ball" and, recommended drilling, etc........thanks..

oh, and by the way....if anyone is getting rid of anything control, I'd be glad to take something used too........

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charlest

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Re: Control Ball
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2003, 10:46:51 AM »
Jeff,

Hysterical!
Almost all my balls are control balls of one sort or another. There are control balls for all conditions from dry to medium-light to medium, etc. There are ones which roll early and have small backend, there are ones which skid more and then have small backends. The key for most are small overall hooks and small backends because Sport conditions and spotty league conditions require you in 95% of the cases NOT to cover too mnay boards. Drilling can help some balls become more of a control ball, but I doubt that balls like the Top Fuel will ever be a control ball.

So, what type of control ball were you looking for?
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Re: Control Ball
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2003, 10:47:43 AM »
Control ball, eh? Of course, I will say the Blueberry Buzzsaw(with a sanded finish) and/or the Ebonite blue Nitro. Never any surprises with either ball. Good luck.
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Control Ball
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2003, 10:53:50 AM »
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Hysterical!


Why ??


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but I doubt that balls like the Top Fuel will ever be a control ball


I don't have a Top Fuel, nor am I looking for one, and, I know..where did you get that ?

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So, what type of control ball were you looking for?


What type ?? Not sure I'm following the question...but to answer the best I can....ones that are marketed as more "control"....
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Control Ball
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2003, 01:10:56 PM »
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SonicX. Haven't thrown the solid yet, just a hunch that it would be good since the pearl behaves so well in the dry.



Brian, thanks, I was thinking of this for the solid...but wouldn't want to put a control drill on a ball that doesn't flare much.  I'm getting a solid for lighter stuff and thinking of going 4x2 which might serve 2 purposes. Pushing the cg out will get me some control as well...
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Re: Control Ball
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2003, 01:14:03 PM »
lower RG balls, balls with slightly less differential help to be more controlled. What type of Sport condition?? short,medium,long -what type of volumes are being laid out? -wood or synthetic? To many questions to list. I agree firmly with Charlest bigger back-end doesn't mean better and for the sport conditions the best possible control ball that will dramatically affect you score will be "plastic,plastic,plastic"  Really and truly theres tons of balls that work but matching up on a Sport is about your style and matching cover and drill patterns to work the area of the lane you have to play. I find I have more condition specific balls and drill patterns, but I don't have the game that most people have.


Jeffrevs

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Re: Control Ball
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2003, 01:29:00 PM »
Thanks LHT...I know that smaller backend is best for this ..trust me...and I can't answer all of your questions for what types of oil....that's kind of the dilemna....that's why I know I should have a more controlled piece in my bag !
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Re: Control Ball
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2003, 02:02:52 PM »
Jeff,
 For the conditions we saw I would suggest
Lane 1 Blue Carbide
Storm ThunderFlash
Track EZ Money or Mutant
Columbia Roll
Dynothane Vendetta Solid
any one of these with your favorite drill would have read the mids and not over reacted on the back ends we saw.
I have resigned from the ball of the month club so I'm not up on the latest and greatest and can only offer tried and true.
P.S. Dale was throwing the Wicked B/R/T the second set as would I had I brought it.
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charlest

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Re: Control Ball
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2003, 02:05:39 PM »
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Hysterical!


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Why ??


I've hardly ever been able to use most of these balls with huge hooks like the Pure Fuel. I think most of the houses where I bowl are not wide open shots. I've actually only found one way up North where a friend who'd I consider a good 205-215 average bowler is averaging 225 or something equally ridiculous. I went there and it seems like such a wide open shot. I can "play, AKA experiment with several balls and still average 215 myself. Now I know what some people call "house shots". I called it Funnel bowling.


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but I doubt that balls like the Top Fuel will ever be a control ball

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I don't have a Top Fuel, nor am I looking for one, and, I know..where did you get that ?



sorry. I meant the new one you got, the Pure Fuel.


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So, what type of control ball were you looking for?

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What type ?? Not sure I'm following the question...but to answer the best I can....ones that are marketed as more "control"....



I meant for what condition, oil pattern.

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Re: Control Ball
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2003, 02:13:52 PM »
My Sport ball from Columbia would work great. It doesn't fit my style. So I can't throw it . Ball would burn up too quick on me before it hits the pins. I need to work on my release more then maybe I can pull it out.

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Re: Control Ball
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2003, 02:15:06 PM »
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 but I doubt that balls like the Top Fuel will ever be a control ball


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I don't have a Top Fuel, nor am I looking for one, and, I know..where did you get that ?
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sorry. I meant the new one you got, the Pure Fuel.


Charlest, First off, I really wonder why you said this in the first place...did I give an impression that I wanted the Pure Fuel as a control ball ?Yes I did get the Pure Fuel and is NOT a HUGE hooker for me. It's got a nice strong backend, but not a HUGE hooker.   I have it drilled with a 4 inch pin to pap and the mb in my track. Nice length, good midlane for a pearlized ball (particle helps there ) and a nice strong hard arcing backend...very readable. But, that's not what I'm looking for.

I'm looking for something like a Tour Power, or maybe a Purple X from Visionary....doens't have to be that way..but.....hell, my new Sonix X solid may fit this bill as well..I'm just trying to get ideas .

As for conditions......I don't know,...could be any !  Thus, thinking of adding a control type ball......

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charlest

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Re: Control Ball
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2003, 02:17:05 PM »
The Tour Power, Purple Ice Executioner, Pearl Viper, V2 Dry, Revolution Vengeance, Brunswick Red/Black Monster, Columbia Pulse (solid,red), Sport Ball and the Messenger Urethane are all examples of balls intended to be control balls. Low to medium-low RG with .035 or lower Rg differentials will provide control on many patterns.

Many people think dry lanes, but that is not necessarily so. The Scorcher can be considered such, thought for heavy oil. The Thunder Flash Pro, the Bolt Pro  and the Blue Thunder Pro were some Storm control balls. The plain Thunder Flash just flat out had too huge a RG Differential and flare. It was a huge hooking ball.

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Re: Control Ball
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2003, 02:20:47 PM »
jeff i got out and threw my new power charge and WOW. very smooth glides thru heads with ease and makes a medium arc ( no snap at all) to the pocket. you know how mines drilled. ive only had it a week and only a few games on it so cant give a review on it yet but its by far the smoothest ball in my bag.
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Re: Control Ball
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2003, 05:29:36 PM »
Jeffrevs,

I'll mention my ball choice, but first here's my comment on "control".

Control is the ability to have a ball do what you tell it to do.  When you want it to arc smooth, it won't overreact.  When you want to hit on it, the ball will react and turn the corner.  When you want it to go straight (I don't mean 10 pin straight; I mean a tight line), it will go long but not through the breakpoint.

For my game, I'd expect "control" in a ball that meets this criteria:

Coverstock - mild resin, solid, 800 grit, cross-hatched
Core -  Low to Medium-low RG, medium differential, symetrical
Drilling - 2 1/2" x 2 1/2" with weighthole on PAP

The drilling and core are for a fairly, early roll which gives me a good read of the lane but it isn't prone to roll-out due to the milder cover.  When I increase speed and revs, the mild cover gives length while lower RG drill and core magnify my revs to give the ball some flip on clean backends.  All in all its the right combination for me when the shot requires "control".  But if the lanes a wide open, I put the ball away a get aggressive.

Now this is the combination for my game.  I wouldn't recommend this combo to a lower rev stroker, but it works for me.

I think the key for you, or anyone else looking for "control", is to think about what combo will give you the ability to have a ball do what you tell it to do.

Good luck!
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Re: Control Ball
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2003, 12:32:02 AM »
[quoteCharlest, First off, I really wonder why you said this in the first place...did I give an impression that I wanted the Pure Fuel as a control ball ?Yes I did get the Pure Fuel and is NOT a HUGE hooker for me. It's got a nice strong backend, but not a HUGE hooker.   I have it drilled with a 4 inch pin to pap and the mb in my track. Nice length, good midlane for a pearlized ball (particle helps there ) and a nice strong hard arcing backend...very readable. But, that's not what I'm looking for.[/quote]

I said this because the Pure Fuel is the opposite of a control ball. If it is not a huge hooking ball for you. So be it.

I am sorry I said anything. How you interpreted it to be a put down of you and your ball choice I do not know. Please consider that I said nothing at all.

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