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machine189

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Controlling Fast backends
« on: April 09, 2010, 12:13:23 AM »
Tried spreading my pinky last night kinda like Norm Duke. I got excellent skidd and a muck calmer downlane reaction but for the life of me could not carry the ten pin. Why is that and the thing is none were flat ten's all the 6 went up and around. What could i have possibility changed?

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Re: Controlling Fast backends
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2010, 01:41:52 PM »
Sounds like the ball was coming in behind the headpin.  Next time try a little more speed and more direct to cut down on the angle in the pocket.
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Re: Controlling Fast backends
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2010, 03:01:52 PM »
News flash...... your not supposed to cary every hit.
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Re: Controlling Fast backends
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2010, 03:15:46 PM »
use a ball that isnt drilled to snap.

If you cant carry the ten pin that should be a easy adjustment with your feet.
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Re: Controlling Fast backends
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2010, 03:36:22 PM »
Ten pins are pesky, and there is no hard and fast rule for getting them out.

Sometimes it's, move right a board with your feet sometimes it's move back a half step with your feet.

Sometimes its, just stay on the same line, but come around the ball just a touch more! It's a feel thing. You keep trying stuff til you find what works, and then try to catalogue it for future use!
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Re: Controlling Fast backends
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2010, 04:01:57 PM »
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News flash...... your not supposed to cary every hit.



Yeah your not supposed to leave 27 nine counts either in three games either. News  Flash .....an adjustment needs to be made.
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Re: Controlling Fast backends
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2010, 04:28:20 PM »
Change your entry angle to the pocket or get another ball that isnt that aggressive...
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Re: Controlling Fast backends
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2010, 04:45:16 PM »
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News flash...... your not supposed to cary every hit.



Yeah your not supposed to leave 27 nine counts either in three games either. News  Flash .....an adjustment needs to be made.
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Approach the game with no preset agendas and you'll probably come away surprised at your overall efforts.


So take the nails out of your feet and move them. You can do alot to control carry just moving your feet right/left a board or so, or by moving your feet up/back a few inches.

I have really found that carry MOST of the time can be controlled by the bowlers adjustments first ball choice second.
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Re: Controlling Fast backends
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2010, 05:11:00 PM »
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News flash...... your not supposed to cary every hit.



Yeah your not supposed to leave 27 nine counts either in three games either. News  Flash .....an adjustment needs to be made.
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Approach the game with no preset agendas and you'll probably come away surprised at your overall efforts.


So take the nails out of your feet and move them. You can do alot to control carry just moving your feet right/left a board or so, or by moving your feet up/back a few inches.

I have really found that carry MOST of the time can be controlled by the bowlers adjustments first ball choice second.
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Re: Controlling Fast backends
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2010, 07:04:30 PM »
My suggestion is that you move on up the approach 2-3 inches with you feet.  That will slow your ball speed down a little so you can hit the pocket more flush.  Think of it like trying to hit the pocket high, but be careful not to let your ball speed drop off too much or you will definitely throw some splits.
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Re: Controlling Fast backends
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2010, 07:20:52 PM »
what does he mean by "spreading his pinky"? Norm Duke tucks his pinky.
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Re: Controlling Fast backends
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2010, 07:30:28 PM »
quote:
quote:
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News flash...... your not supposed to cary every hit.



Yeah your not supposed to leave 27 nine counts either in three games either. News  Flash .....an adjustment needs to be made.
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Approach the game with no preset agendas and you'll probably come away surprised at your overall efforts.


So take the nails out of your feet and move them. You can do alot to control carry just moving your feet right/left a board or so, or by moving your feet up/back a few inches.

I have really found that carry MOST of the time can be controlled by the bowlers adjustments first ball choice second.
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Since you are such an expert explain to him which way to move his feet and why.
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mainzer

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Re: Controlling Fast backends
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2010, 12:53:41 AM »
headwest,

When I start seeing the ten pin stand or go late on shots I thought were good off my hand. I watch two things.

1. Where does my six pin go?? Wrap or Flat. if wrap I move my feet back 3-6 inches on the approach or left a half board. Flat I move my feet right about a half a board or up 3-6 inches on the approach.

2.ball's entry angle, if the angle is steep, if I am playing deep on the lane, like say if I was on the chameleon or say very deep on burnt out ths for example and I start seeing the ball come in behind the 10 pin, I move the line right 1-2 boards feet and target on the lane everything right 1-2 boards.

NOTE: This is how I fix ten pin issues BEFORE changing balls. headwest asked I explained. this is my method and may not work for everyone. Using those rules I have very few issues with leaving the ten pin abnormal numbers of times.
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Re: Controlling Fast backends
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2010, 06:36:29 AM »
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headwest,

When I start seeing the ten pin stand or go late on shots I thought were good off my hand. I watch two things.

1. Where does my six pin go?? Wrap or Flat. if wrap I move my feet back 3-6 inches on the approach or left a half board. Flat I move my feet right about a half a board or up 3-6 inches on the approach.

2.ball's entry angle, if the angle is steep, if I am playing deep on the lane, like say if I was on the chameleon or say very deep on burnt out ths for example and I start seeing the ball come in behind the 10 pin, I move the line right 1-2 boards feet and target on the lane everything right 1-2 boards.

NOTE: This is how I fix ten pin issues BEFORE changing balls. headwest asked I explained. this is my method and may not work for everyone. Using those rules I have very few issues with leaving the ten pin abnormal numbers of times.
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 MainzerPower
Good explanation.
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