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carlos

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Coronavirus
« on: March 13, 2020, 11:19:28 AM »
Has any leagues been cancelled that some of you bowl in due to the Coronavirus ? A tournament I was going to bowl in pulled the plug. I'm in Ohio where mass gatherings of 100 or more are prohibited. Things are changing daily so it could be an adjustment after the 2 p.m. press conference.

 

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #181 on: August 30, 2020, 10:54:20 PM »
Better check your TV, there is probably a talking head on at least one channel who can feed you a better comeback...
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #182 on: August 31, 2020, 04:41:15 AM »
And now the New York Times is reporting that the Coronavirus tests are creating false positives by a factor of 10.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #183 on: August 31, 2020, 09:31:22 AM »

If you want to risk dying because "freedom!" and be willingly ignorant to the fact that you are not only putting your life, but other people's lives in jeopardy, than that's on you. Just so you know, in doing so, not only has the legal precedent been set for attempted murder, but your actions would also fall under domestic terrorism, as that has already been tried in court as well.

So well, done, and keep it up. You'd wind up being a convicted felon and terrorist because of your absolutely asinine opinions about "freedom".

BL.



Please don't take this as an attack, just trying to shed some light on how we perceive things, based on what agenda is pushed.

It's amazing how people will text and drive, drink and drive, and think nothing of it, but hey don't wear a mask in public, and you are the devil.

Real world statistics of texting while driving and drinking while driving:

https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html

https://www.thezebra.com/research/texting-and-driving-statistics/

I'm not saying you should or shouldn't wear a mask in public, I'm just simply trying to state how we conveniently pick and choose what we want to be passionate about.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #184 on: August 31, 2020, 11:15:42 AM »
I believe it's important to cite those drinking and driving statistics. It's also important to point out that drinking over the legal limit while driving is illegal too, with some pretty steep criminal and civil penalties attached to those who are convicted of violating the law.  Equally important is the fact that on average, 29 people are killed every day while drinking and driving--- tragic for sure. However, 1000 people die (on average) every day in this country from Covid-19. That's 35 times more deaths than from drinking and driving every day. Driving under the influence is also, not a contagious disease----one where someone who is infected could pass it on to many, many others. Covid-19 is not like the common cold or the flu. It has been shown to be much more transmissible and many times more lethal than the flu.

As for that NY Times article citing the number of false positives for the virus, that has no impact on the fact that approximately 180,000 Americans are dead from Covid-19 (and counting). Add to this, the thousands of people who have (or had) the virus but are still alive, but who are suffering severe after effects from it.

I get that we are frustrated. I am frustrated. I dearly miss, like you, being able to do the things I used to do before this pandemic struck . I cannot imagine the angst and fear of business owners, bowling alleys, restaurants, theaters and on and on. This is a terrible time for every one of us. Let's all hope that someday soon, that  an effective vaccine (s) and therapies can be found to either stamp out this plague or at least to dramatically minimize its effects. Of course there are no guarantees, but let's hope with all of our collective might.

In the meantime, we are going to have to rely on those measures that show that they work in minimizing this virus's spread. This entails wearing a face mask and practicing social distancing when in public. If we fail to do these 2 things, we only further the delay our ability to return to SOME sense of normalcy. Our lives and those of our loved ones depend on it. In addition, we need to pressure our legislators to do all they can in providing a modicum of ongoing economic relief to our families and neighbors who are hurting, as well as to our favorite bowling establishments and the small businesses in each of our communities.

Yes, there is a "cost" in doing this but it's a cost that's worth it. I can think of no better cause.   

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #185 on: August 31, 2020, 11:56:17 AM »
bergman,

I think you are missing my point. I'm not getting into a pissing contest over whats worse, covid or driving impaired.

My point is, if we are all of a sudden going to act like we are so compassionate about or fellow man, that's GREAT, but lets be consistent about it. Lets not just care about what the politicians and news outlets say we should care about.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #186 on: August 31, 2020, 12:19:17 PM »
I must admit that I am a bit skeptical about what we are told  by the news reports regarding the Covid-19 situation. But it's from personal experience from where I work and the job I do.

For the past 13 years, I have worked for in a (very) large hospital organization providing skilled nursing and mental health care and rehabilitation.


Our skilled nursing residents all have mental issues in addition to needing regular medical treatment. Skilled nursing residents are  35% +/- of our resident population.


The skilled nursing residents are almost to a person, elderly. We have 14,000 +/- residents in our care, not counting the outpatient services.

So what you ask? Here are the details regarding Covid-19:
 Out of 32 campus locations in California, only five of our locations has had anyone test positive(staff or resident).

Of those 5 locations, there were 86 initial positive tests.

Of those 86 initial positives, 47 showed negative on the retest.

Of the 39 actual positive tests, there were 11 deaths(10 residents and 1 staff).

Of the 10 residents we reported as Covid related deaths, 2 were already receiving hospice care, but we were required to report these as Covid-19 deaths.

The other 8 were in a skilled nursing environment prior to Covid with a variety of issues from diabetes, renal failure, heart and/or lung related issues. 

All but one of the 8 were over the age of 80. The other was 68 and was the renal failure resident.

The one staff member we lost was 79. She had been employees with the company for 47 years. She has had serious circulation issues(due to diabetes) in her legs for the past 10 years.

So, in short, 14,000 +/- residents, 26,000 +/- employees and 39 actual positive cases with 11(ambiguous at best) reported deaths.


In all fairness, we have handled this better than most organizations with skilled nursing. We went into lock-down before the State of California required it and our staff has been head to toe PPE every day since.

In short, I'm not saying that Covid isn't dangerous and a serious problem. But from what I have seen, this has been politicized to an extreme that is almost unbelievable.


My final word on Covid is this; Dying WITH Covid-19 is not the same as dying FROM Covid-19.


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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #187 on: August 31, 2020, 03:02:31 PM »
Domestic terrorism? What a stupid thing to say. You got to take a chill pill,dude. You believe it's you're right to have an opinion, but like many in this country, think others don't have the same right. I maybe, don't agree with everything that was said, but he has a right to say it as much as you have a right to disagree, but to make a moronic statement like domestic terrorism, goes outside those norms. If property destruction, looting, burning, terroristic acts against innocent people are not considered domestic terrorism, then your take holds no water!!!

I wish I could say that I was lying, but I'm not. This is coming straight from the DoJ:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/prosecuting-purposeful-coronavirus-exposure-terrorism

I tend to call out idiocy and hypocrisy when I see it; especially when it comes to double standards, as we should all be true to our convictions instead of playing politics with them, but as it was already said, this virus is real, and the DoJ is treating the intentional infection of someone as that.

At this point, I'm the messenger on that stance, so any complaint about it needs to go to Rosen and the DoJ, not me.

Full PDF from the DoJ is below.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000171-128a-d911-aff1-becb9b530000

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« Reply #188 on: September 01, 2020, 05:10:54 AM »
Actually it does have an impact on the 180,000 American that are dead from Covid19.  "Off by a factor of 10" means that for every 1 correct test there are 10 false positives.  So the 180,000 deaths is actually 18,000.  I think we sw that last week when all 77 NFL players that tested positive were re-tested with the same test and all came back negative.

So if you think all of these lockdown measures are appropriate because of the 18,000 deaths then I'm curious how you would have handled every previous year of our lives when 30,000-60,000 Americans died of the regular flu.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #189 on: September 01, 2020, 12:32:00 PM »
Actually it does have an impact on the 180,000 American that are dead from Covid19.  "Off by a factor of 10" means that for every 1 correct test there are 10 false positives.  So the 180,000 deaths is actually 18,000.  I think we sw that last week when all 77 NFL players that tested positive were re-tested with the same test and all came back negative.

So if you think all of these lockdown measures are appropriate because of the 18,000 deaths then I'm curious how you would have handled every previous year of our lives when 30,000-60,000 Americans died of the regular flu.

One big difference here is that with the flu, we have a vaccine that works for it.

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Got the flu? no problem! It's like gonorrhea! Go to the doctor, get a shot, clear it right up!
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With this, they're still trying to figure out what it is, how it mutates, different strains, etc., to even begin to figure out a vaccine. Without any sort of treatment, we're stuck back to what we can do to prevent the spread of this, even at the barest minimum. Let's keep in mind that back with the flu, the same preventative measures were taken. Hell, these same measures were taken with typhoid. The story of Typhoid Mary is a very interesting read, especially in relation to COVID and being asymptomatic.

Again, when it comes to numbers like this and quoting stats, I'd be more inclined to believe Erin and what she is going through every day since this started - you know.. those that have the bona fides to back up what they are saying - and what John Hopkins is reporting.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #190 on: September 01, 2020, 02:16:42 PM »
Actually it does have an impact on the 180,000 American that are dead from Covid19.  "Off by a factor of 10" means that for every 1 correct test there are 10 false positives.  So the 180,000 deaths is actually 18,000.  I think we sw that last week when all 77 NFL players that tested positive were re-tested with the same test and all came back negative.

So if you think all of these lockdown measures are appropriate because of the 18,000 deaths then I'm curious how you would have handled every previous year of our lives when 30,000-60,000 Americans died of the regular flu.

Dude! Really?? So the stats kept by Johns-Hopkins Institution are all bullshit but we should suddenly believe your newly contrived calculations?? Sheesh!

Faulty testing equipment is just that....faulty! Ask Abbott or ask the CDC!

I've lost fraternity brothers, bowling friends, close friends and family to this damn virus!! TRUST ME! ITS REAL!

I was keeping a tally for awhile but when it passed 25, I just stopped because it was depressing!

This virus constantly mutates! Back in May of this year it had notably mutated 243 times according to scientists! I don't tend to listen to msm media that much, I go to the scientist's websites and look at heir stats!

This one is gonna leave a mark, besides the 180,000+ people that it killed! Once you catch it, you can catch it again! And it leaves damaging internal scars that don't disappear!

You can play if you want to, and pretend its fake news at your peril!
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #191 on: September 02, 2020, 02:41:30 AM »
In order to know 25 people who died from a virus that has officially killed .05% of the population, that would have to reflect  you personally knows a lot of people of a very select, vulnerable population, residing in a location of extreme incompetent medical treatment.

Thanks to people like nurse  Erin Olszewski, we know how panic turned NYC hospitals such as Elmhurst into death zones. So yeah, it's possible that someone living in a very specific place, who was in contact with many elderly people in poor health to begin with would know so many people.

However, that is clearly not representative of what is happening through the country. There is a joke, it's a virus so dangerous that you need to be tested to know you have it.

Truth be told, as much as I have ranted against lockdown, for close to 3 weeks from March to April I did not leave within 30 feet of my mother who was too sick from some cold/flu (she was never tested) to leave her bed. I did not call for her to go to hospital (we live Queens, the "epicenter") and did some alternative treatments (had a nurse come to apartment twice to give IV vitamin C) and my mom is now fully recovered.

Was it covid? Maybe a bad flu? Don't know, don't really care. At least her son is a doctor and knew enough to get right at home treatment and stay away from Queens hospitals of death.

But I'm not going to take my personal experience and project that outward ignoring all facts, data and logic. If a virus was raging across the country so everyone know someone, if not a dozen or more people who died from it, then there would be no debate. But there is no such virus.

Today I went bowling in Queens. Every other lane blocked off. Bar and food is closed. They didn't even have flyers for league up. They did have people there bowling. One of the only places that didn't drastically increase their rates. So I was able to bowl an hour for $10. But you just have to know, they are operating at a loss right now.

Will I bowl in a league? I don't even know how that will work with all these rules. I will try to support my local bowling alleys. But when some houses suddenly want $35 per hour, that's a lot to run in a practice in afternoon.

I used to practice at some houses out on long island, 9PM and after, all you can bowl for $10. All those deals are gone. They all close at 9PM and no deals other times. I used to bowl about 40 games a week. Can't do that at $6-$7 a game. If I was a millionaire I would do that and support these places, but I'm not.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #192 on: September 02, 2020, 04:23:23 AM »
Jesse James, your mastery of the exclamation point is impressive!

Pardon my ignorance, but aren't the Johns Hopkins stats based on the states' reporting of testing?  The same testing that Dr. Birks said months ago had at least a 50% false positive rate?  Which, by the way, means that the Elisa test can't tell the difference between the flu and Covid19 (logical, since the flu is a coronavirus).  The same testing that the New York Times is saying is inaccurate by a factor of 10?

And by the way, there is no "vaccine" for the flu.  The flu shot is created when the CDC "guesses" which four of the 170 strains of the flu will be the most popular and the flu shot fights those.  This should not be confused with preventative (i.e. smallpox) vaccines.

As an aside, my wife's friend had to have surgery last month.  At different stages prior to the surgery she had to have three separate Covid19 tests.  She was told by the nurse that did the testing that if all three tests came back positive they would be reported to the state as three new and separate cases.

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« Reply #193 on: September 02, 2020, 04:24:34 AM »
In order to know 25 people who died from a virus that has officially killed .05% of the population, that would have to reflect  you personally knows a lot of people of a very select, vulnerable population, residing in a location of extreme incompetent medical treatment.

Or he knows Kevin Bacon.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #194 on: September 02, 2020, 05:11:34 PM »
When the 'off by a factor of 10' is mentioned, does that also mean 10X negative results?
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #195 on: September 03, 2020, 05:41:06 PM »
It means that for every true positive there are 10 false positives.  The New York Times' words, not mine.