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Porkchop

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Corporate owned or locally owned centers?
« on: January 07, 2004, 02:04:23 AM »
I just put up a reply to a post about overpriced pro shops.  This has sparked a new question for me and now for you.  What do you prefer?  Corporate owned bowling centers with all the bells and whistles who charge astronomical prices or the locally owned bowling alley that smells like a bowling alley and you can still open bowl for $2.00 or less per game?  I've worked and bowled in both.  To me, the corporate owned centers are only in it for the money while it seems that the locally owned places are in it because they enjoy it.  Your thoughts.
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matt smith

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Re: Corporate owned or locally owned centers?
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2004, 05:24:43 PM »
corporate centers SUCK!  AMF wouldnt know PR if it slapped them upside the head. Its so bad that you have to wait for the employees to finish their conversations with each other before they serve you!! Hell if i did that where i work i would get fired. Its terrible over here. AMF owns the majority of centers, and few private owned centers arnt travelling so well because AMF pretty much has a monopoly.

One privatly owned center went into receivership recently, and probly will be closing, and the others are in the bad parts of town. I bowl at AMF centers, and i hate every minute of it. Give me a privatly owned center ANYDAY.

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Re: Corporate owned or locally owned centers?
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2004, 05:48:36 PM »
this is my last year at an amf house. Last night (here in buffalo area) its freezing  .... very little snow and the temps are frigid. well we get the the place MIL-SHER lanes and the parking lot is   an ice rink. So we get inside and say something to the manager (HER NAME IS SABRA) and she says..well what do you expect me to do about it...EXCUSE ME? the area around the door had some salt thrown down. im sorry but thats just unexcusable. Perhaps amf wants to hear from some personal injury attorneys.
The point im makin is the mamagement is downright awful. We get yelled at for bringin in tim hortons coffee..(amf coffee is terrible piss water). the pro shop is a joke...there idea of a new ball is a trauma response and scooby doo vis a ball. And the open bowling prices i believe are close to $4.00
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Im also e-mailing the corporate site about the unsalted and unplowed parking lot. I will no longer pay the amounts of money i do to be treated the way were treated at AMF

Thanks for reading my post.

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Edited on 1/7/2004 6:47 PM
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Re: Corporate owned or locally owned centers?
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2004, 05:49:04 PM »
I think that my house is owned by corperate. Im not sure, but I think so because its huge, 40 lanes, bar, pool table, the whole dj thing with all the lights, speakers, dance floor, snack bar (most alley's have one either way) but like its a really nice one. I have only ever been to 2 other houses besides this so I am not real sure what any privately owned ones are like. MOST of the people who work at my center are nice, friends with me, but there are the few a§sholes, but what place in the whole WORLD doesnt have that?
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Re: Corporate owned or locally owned centers?
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2004, 06:32:29 PM »
Man oh man.  Don't get me started on this subject.  Shoot, too late

Corporate centers are not bad simply because they are corporate.  What I mean by that is there are centers out there that are owned by a corporation, but you may never know it.  You, your friend, and his/her friend can start a corporation just like you can start a partnership.  With that said, I think the "corporate bowling centers" that you are referring to are the really big corporations like AMF, Brunswick, and others like those.

Along those lines, yes, corporate bowling centers are evil for the most part.  I worked for AMF in the past, and they have a total lack of respect for the human being, both behind the counter and in front of the counter.  Corporate bowling centers generally stunt creativity as each center looks pretty much the same, serves the same crappy food, and pinches pennies throughout.  The corporate world preaches "maximize your worth" by doing things like cutting meal portions and buying cheaper oil/pins.  Whereas a well run privately owned bowling center will raise prices when their costs raise, but will continue to put money into their centers to modernize and keep the sport exciting.

The forumula for a successful bowling center has been found.  It's amazing how many people just ignore it.
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Re: Corporate owned or locally owned centers?
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2004, 08:07:30 PM »
The following rant is in response to Brimar's post.  I have a feeling it will be VERY long so if dinner is ready, go eat first!  

I totally know where you're coming from!  There is an AMF center in Norfolk, Nebraska called AMF King's Lanes.  Not only did I bowl there for quite some time, but I worked there too.  

Anyway, I hear the place is now being run by a guy who averages 157 and isn't really the brightest crayon in the box.  Open bowling is around $4.00 per game and the lanes are still some of the original synthetics, circa 1983.  You know, the ones like a countertop?  

Years ago, some of my friends and I had enough of the high prices, poor selection and staff in the pro shop, and overall poor condition of the center in general.  We knew that AMF was sitting on a gold mine because it was the biggest bowling alley for miles around.  We also knew that it took money to make money.  AMF was making money but not putting it back into the center.

We burnt the midnight oil for about 2 months.  We got several facts and quotes from notables in the industry.  Keep in mind, we were all pretty young.  The oldest one of us was 30 at the time.  Once all of our facts were in order, we wrote a 19 page manifesto to the head of AMF.  

In this letter, we talked about the poor quality of the lanes and approaches, the management, lane conditions, low league numbers, the cost of open bowling, those stupid Scooby Doo leagues that don't attract good bowlers, the overall shape of the building (the stalls in the men's john didn't even have doors on them) and countless other issues.  

After about 3 or 4 drafts, our letter was done.  We took it to Kinko's and had it put into a binder.  With that done, the letter went out to the bowling center every night for every league.  We let our fellow bowlers read the letter if they wanted.  Some read it, some didn't.  Then we collected signatures to add to ours.  We got over 200 names added to this thing.  That's 200 other people who gave a damn about this sport.  That's 200 people who knew something had to be done.  This was a fine group of people who wanted to try and stand up to the corporation and have them do what was right.  

What was right?  Fix the place up!  This was the only bowling center in town.  They had a 32 lane center with zero competition for 50 miles yet people started packing up their gear and driving the distance for something better.  Put doors on the bathroom stalls.  Can't a man take a crap without the rest of the world watching?  How about an updated scoring system?  The system they had was obsolete in 1997.  Finding parts was becoming difficult.  I should know.  I was a mechanic there.  New paint, new carpet, new lanes without plastic patches on them.  My list could go on, but I bet you get my point.

We sent the letter and waited.  About two weeks after it was sent, we got a response.  It wasn't the response we wanted however.  Basically, it was one of those "thanks for the letter" letters and that was about it.  Nothing ever came of it.  The manager at the time came under some fire from the top I guess.  It wasn't his fault.  He wanted more for that place, maybe more than we wanted.

What is wrong with bowling today?  Did you read my rants and raves?  This, I feel, is what's wrong with bowling today.  What's wrong is that we have people who know how to push paper and pencil but don't know JACK FREAKIN' SQUAT about bowling.  

Back in 1895, a group of people got together like my friends and I did, thereby forming the American Bowling Congress.  They knew that bowling needed something too.  From their hard work, they adopted a set of rules and regulations that we still hold today for the most part.  Why can't corporations get their stuff together like these gentlemen of the past did?  Yes, there were mistakes made but they all had the eagerness to find the direction needed to rectify these said mistakes.

I hope somebody out there who works for a corporation that deals in bowling centers reads this and I hope it pisses you off quite frankly.  I hope that you'll realize something needs to be done too.  I hope you see that there are diehards out here who don't want to bowl to the sound of loud rap music and to the sights of disco lights (disco died years ago people) all at a whopping $4.00 per game.

I am by no means against brighter, cleaner, more family oriented bowling centers.  In fact, I encourage them.  I just think it would be cool for someone to get it all together and make it work the way it used to work.  I hear the old guys talk about bowling back in the 50's and 60's.  Why can't it go back to that?  It could you know.  Wouldn't that be nice?  

Thanks for reading this.  I know I went on and on, but I had to say it.
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MichiganBowling

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Re: Corporate owned or locally owned centers?
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2004, 08:24:24 PM »
AMEN!
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Re: Corporate owned or locally owned centers?
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2004, 08:28:15 PM »
Beautiful, just beautiful!  Well done Porky.

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2004, 08:30:25 PM »
Well, I had the same problem, which was why I switched bowling alleys. I was also at an AMF and there approaches were so bad that there was no way in hell you could slide on them, plus they were the dirtyest thing I have ever seen, the scoring system was so screwed up, the ball return actually made a little 'canyon' in one of my balls. (By canyon, I mean a deep gouge around the WHOLE ball) and there equipment also caused countless dings and dents on my equpment.

That is why I switched to  another bowling center, a newer brunswick 'zone'. They had all of the nice features, new approaches, everything, but the service there! I have recieved raw chicken fingers countless times now and patially frozen fries not as often. The people at the front counter don't even pay attention to thier customers. Service is also extremely slow, while service was exceptional at the previous bowling. The prices at this bowling alley without league rates though is 4.50!!! per game. But the prices at the other center were 3.75 WITH league rate

Lickily now I have found a small 10 lane bowling with great lanes and a new scoring system, but the ball return is from the 50's, but I have never gotten one scratch or dent from this place. And there serice is great too. In my opinion, you just have to look harder than your local brunswick/AMF, most of the time.
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brimar

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Re: Corporate owned or locally owned centers?
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2004, 08:46:58 PM »
Porkchop the the man bro....

Damm has this been a venting night or what...i know i feel better  



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Re: Corporate owned or locally owned centers?
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2004, 09:00:18 PM »
Another thing, at least in theory, is that privately owned bowling alley's have more 'real' bowlers who actually are into the sport, and less people who are 15-16 coming to dance and that BS. I WOULD PREFER to go to a new place but I dont drive, and I dont even know of any privately owned alleys around here. Its sucks. Yea, I am friends with the people at my center, but, it is just slow, many disrespectful people, all those annoying kids who come for dancing and not bowling, I HATE IT! I had a previous post about a guy who was like the "bouncer" for a thing they have called rock 'n bowl, he actually was rushing me and a friend so much he DROPPED ONE OF MY BALLS!!! I know a couple bounces on the floor wont hurt it to bad but is the principle of it! I am just starting to get sick of the §hit they give me.
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Re: Corporate owned or locally owned centers?
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2004, 09:47:42 PM »
I haven't been around a small independently owned center for a while.  I usually prefer family run companies over ones owned by huge corporations.  Friendlier and better service.

I feel bad for so many people in this post.  All the centers I bowl at are owned by AMF.  They are clean, the people nice, and the prices reasonable (league rate is $1.50 during the day, $1.75 during the evening and weekends).  The food is very average and too expensive in my opinion.

You do see differences in the centers.  The best are run by scratch bowlers.  They will listen to your concerns, make sure tournaments are advertised, keeps all the mechanical things fixed....  The other is a bean counter that probably majored in business.  He means well, but doesn't really have a clue about bowlers.  The minimum gets done so the place isn't falling apart, but if he understood his core customer better it would help.
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2004, 10:05:37 PM »
Well, my house is the best place around and I love it. It is an AMF owned house, but also run by local proprietors. Open bowling is cheap, and I get certain little "perks" for being one of the regulars in the place. Plus all the people who work there are great!! The food could be better though!
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2004, 10:47:12 PM »
Well, my house is family-owned and has been since 1957, when it was new. Open bowling prices are $3.50 ($1.50 if you're a league member). Food prices, I cannot comment compared to other houses because I don't eat at the center, but compared to AMF they're probably a lot cheaper.
The synthetics were installed in the early 1990s(HPL) and the heads were replaced under warranty five years ago, along with new seating, tables, and masks. Scoring systems are from 1985 and may be replaced in coming years.

The only time I do business with AMF is when we compete in the Corporate Challenge every spring, and I really have not had problems with AMF, but otherwise I shy away due to their reputation. Hopefully the new owners straighten things out- or they're in serious trouble.
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