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I'm surprised no one saw this
« on: July 28, 2007, 12:59:21 AM »
On Bowl.com yesterday:

http://www.bowl.com/articleView.aspx?i=13337&f=1

My opinion, after to him say that we lost "only" 100,000 sanctioned league bowlers from the 2004-2005 season to the 2005-2006 season, and considered this a success, this "retirement" was LONG overdue.

There are several other points in his tenure that as a competitive bowler I question (i.e. spearheading the "no weight hole" proposal with little or no data, The pin double void construction does not contribute to higher scores, etc.).

Hopefully the powers that be will bring in someone who is not living in the past or has their head in the sand.
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Re: I'm surprised no one saw this
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2007, 09:13:31 AM »
Sadly, I don't think his retirement is going to hurt or help bowling in any way.  There are too many other "needing to retire" people up there.  But then again, there are so many other factors too.
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Re: I'm surprised no one saw this
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2007, 09:19:30 AM »
What they need is a person in charge who is a true bowler, leisurely and competitively, and someone who is not afraid to step on the manufacturers toes (we all know who runs this industry!).
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Re: I'm surprised no one saw this
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2007, 10:44:06 AM »
Need to get some younger people in there to help out.
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Re: I'm surprised no one saw this
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2007, 11:23:42 AM »
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Need to get some younger people in there to help out.
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Re: I'm surprised no one saw this
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2007, 12:33:26 PM »
Yeah in the next 10 years it will be a success to only lose 1 million bowlers at 100k a year.

Dalkin is a talking head and the whole group of them needs to get canned or voted out, he shunned Wendy MacPherson in that crappy girlie show that was here in vegas. The leading ladies money winner and the leader at the time in the usbc nationals, i guess having youger hotter chicks was better for the sport.

I am sure many would agree that have that field is ok bowlers but not the best lady bowlers out there, where was Feldman or Stanbourgh on that show?????

Dalkin i hope you lurk here you are why we are where we are, go fishing somewhere and just go away.

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Re: I'm surprised no one saw this
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2007, 01:52:17 PM »
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What they need is a person in charge who is a true bowler, leisurely and competitively, and someone who is not afraid to step on the manufacturers toes (we all know who runs this industry!).
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USBC Board of Directors

http://www.bowl.com/aboutUSBC/board_bios.aspx#baxter

I count among the members Team USA members (current and past), collegiate all americans, multiple HOF's, a PBA Champion, members that have won tournaments on EVERY level (local all the way to International) and multiple post-graduate degrees.  As for Dalkin, he's a former Collegiate bowler of the year, former Team USA member, has won tournaments from local to International (1971 AMF World Cup in Kowloon, Hong Kong) and consistently averaged between  190 and 200 in sport leagues for several years.  

Has the USBC leadership always made the right decisions?  Of course not.  But to say they aren't qualified is ridiculous.

These are people that joined to make bowling better, the preserve the sport they love, and for the most part, they are volunteers.  They haven't sacrificed nights, weekends and vacations for "glory"

They tried to step on the manufacturers toes, and what happened?  The average bowler cried like a little baby about having any restrictions on drilling requirements.  I remember when they lowered the maximum allowable differential a few years back and how much crying there was about that.  Walled up lanes have been around since they figured out that lane conditioner could be used to affect scores, yet it wasn't until the advent of the reactive resin era that honor scores shot through the roof.    

When will people wake up and realize the face of bowling has changed?  The members of this board, and others like it, are in the minority.  Your typical 1-2 time a week bowler does not want to be challenged, they don't want to work and practice, they want to show up, have a good time and shoot 200.  They want hook in a box and walled up lane conditions.  A big reason why they stopped inspecting lanes after every honor score and rejecting scores is that the bowler would complain to the ABC.  "It's not MY fault the conditions are illegal, I want my ring"  So in the end, they yielded to the members.  Wouldn't it make more sense to go to the proprietor and say "Hey, why are you putting out an illegal condition?  If you don't change it, I'm going elsewhere."
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Re: I'm surprised no one saw this
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2007, 06:07:27 PM »
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No matter who they get to take his place it cant get any worse than it has been.
    The dye was cast many yrs ago as to who the real power behind bowling really is and it is the houses.


Bones you couldn't be more correct. The day when the then ABC allowed the proprietors to "bully" them into allowing the LDD (Limited Distance Dressing) to pass is the day the ABC rendered itself powerless to instill integrity. The SOB (System of Bowling) was supposed to correct these things but the ABC then decided to let the ball manufacturers "bully" them with the new surfaces and coverstocks.

Now all the USBC does is collect dues and watch declining numbers while Nero fiddles off into the sunset. It is really a sad thing to be part of, but all I can do is stay positive and hope.
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Re: I'm surprised no one saw this
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2007, 10:18:05 AM »
I will agree with DanH78 that the current B of D has some highly respected & highly accomplished personnel on it. But Highly respected & highly accomplished does not necessarily mean Highly Qualified.

And I will agree that the ABC/WIBC/USBC is at the mercy of the proprietors, but only because they allowed that to happen.

There has always been ways to to increase the scoring pace. Putting fishing line under the laquer coating is something that I heard about happening back in that era. Refinishing the lanes in certain manners accomplished this also at one time.

If we go back to the mid 70's, when proprietors asked if the ABC would allow the oil conditioner to be "crowned" on the lane, and the ABC did very little research to see what affect this would have, this to me, was the beginning of the scoring explosion.

The ABC/USBC has lacked the ability, or chose not to, do significant research with all the elements that contribute to higher scoring.

For instance, when the first urethane ball was introduced (AMF Angle), there wasn't or they didn't do much research as to the affects of this new coverstock material on the scoring pace.

When the 2 piece Black Hammer was released, there was little, if any, research done as to the affects of this type of ball construction could do to scoring.

Adding voids to the belly of the pins to raise the center of gravity, synthetic lane surfaces, raising the flat gutters, lively sideboards, phenolic pin decks, etc. All of these thing have contributed to higher scoring one one way or another.

So there need to be a change in leadership and testing at the USBC

Dalkin's "retirement" is just a small step in the right direction.


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