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chipmunkbowler

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could it be the ball weight
« on: August 15, 2009, 12:26:20 AM »
I am currently using 14 pounds i am getting the ball to around 7 or 8 at the breakpoint and i get the ball where most would leave a weak 10 but leave a 5 not even wiggling.
then when i get it to that spot in the deck from 2 or 3 at the breakpoint it is a swishing 5 most of the time

is it the ball weight that is causing this or is it something else.
luckily most times i leave 5s where they are not touched i get an atomic messenger to take it out
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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2009, 10:03:48 AM »
sounds like your tryn to hook it too much...  if your leave'n 5 pins, your doing something VERY wrong.
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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2009, 10:07:04 AM »
it could be the bowler...
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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2009, 10:16:20 AM »
Leaving the 5 pin is a product of too much swing and not enough bring if you get what I am saying, otherwise known as trying to hook the lane when you don't have enough ball in the first place.

If the 5 pin is untouched your ball is hitting so weak the ball is deflecting and not driving through the pin deck.
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chipmunkbowler

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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2009, 10:44:24 AM »
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sounds like your tryn to hook it too much...  if your leave'n 5 pins, your doing something VERY wrong.

trying to hook it too much if i tried to hook it any less i would be lofting it over the RIGHT gutter im usually around 7 throwing it to the outside part of the lane at the breakpoint.
if im playing the track its usually around 14 to the track because im on an old wood surface with LOTS of friction

Why does everyone assume that just because im a young bowler i trying to throw the big wheel.
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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2009, 10:49:09 AM »
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If the 5 pin is untouched your ball is hitting so weak the ball is deflecting and not driving through the pin deck.

thats what im asking is that because my ball is lighter or is it something else?
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mrbowlingnut

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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2009, 10:55:25 AM »
Might be the whole problem buy a nice used 15 lber off of me and find cheap then, leaving a 5 pin means weak hitting power unless you are watching it hook past the 5 pin.

I have many nice 15 lber's listed in the for sale section.
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chipmunkbowler

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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2009, 11:02:11 AM »
i cant afford the postage and packing to get it across the atlantic ill consider my next ball as a 15 pounder cause with the rule of a pound for every year of age im almost 15 so might go to the next weight up soon
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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2009, 11:07:20 AM »
Leaving five pins is a sign more that your ball is de-energizing rather than being too light.

 If you are using an aggressive ball, playing a shot that lets the ball build friction early causing it to expend all the release energy prematurely, it could be arriving at the pocket D.O.A.

 I've shot a couple of 300's and many high 700 series using 14lb balls and have never had any trouble carrying the five. More likely a problem of friction VS release strength than one of ball weight.
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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2009, 11:16:00 AM »
This could also be the whole reason, go bowl a few games and record it even on a cell phone video and watch the ball motion.

If every ball does same thing you will figure out if deflection or DOA is the problem.


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Leaving five pins is a sign more that your ball is de-energizing rather than being too light.

 If you are using an aggressive ball, playing a shot that lets the ball build friction early causing it to expend all the release energy prematurely, it could be arriving at the pocket D.O.A.

 I've shot a couple of 300's and many high 700 series using 14lb balls and have never had any trouble carrying the five. More likely a problem of friction VS release strength than one of ball weight.
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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2009, 11:21:08 AM »
Juggernaut,

Do you have a high rev rate?

I have used 14lb, 15lb, 16lb balls over the last decade and have found that the 16lb balls carry best for me (average speed with lower revs).  I have seen honor scores bowled with all weights, but I think each bowler needs to match the weight that best fits their style.  High rev bowlers can usually bowl with 14lb balls where a bowler with lower revs needs the help of the additional pound or two.

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chipmunkbowler

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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2009, 11:36:12 AM »
i dont know tbh its more i have extremely heavy roll with a rev rate in the 350-375 range but when its in the centre of the pocket ringing tens are non existent i rarely leave ringing tens ever now but when i come up a little light i leave the 5 pins so i dont know
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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2009, 11:55:30 AM »
Are you using a dull ball, polished solid or polished pearl?  

If your center is notoriously dry then you'll also need a coverstock that is not at the tip top of the performance list.  So even using a polished Pearl like the Virtual Energy on extremely dry lanes will roll out and lose too much energy.  

Also if you are using a polished solid or polished pearl when was the last time the pro shop repolished it?  Such balls used on demanding conditions like dry lanes, need nearly weekly touch ups.

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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2009, 11:58:18 AM »
shiny and dull both leave it however shiny makes it wiggle a little
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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2009, 12:16:35 PM »
Rev rate in the 350 range and 5 pins do not add up.  Unless there is a ton of carry down right in front of the pocket, I think you might be grossly exaggerating your rev rate, unless you are also 20+ MPH which would make you highly speed dominant.  14#'s will deflect a touch more than 15#, but not enough to be concerned about.
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